Now if only you could get my mom to read that.
Now if only you could get my mom to read that.
I find that Comcast's spam filter is much less effective than Outlook's (or Outlook.com). I also don't like to enable my ISP's spam filter for the occasional false positive. I like seeing all of the Spam filter folder on my PC so I can periodically scan it for false positives that I can then white list. I know I could periodically go to Comcast's web mail and check for false positives buts it's more of a pain than using my Email client.Quote:
A final note: One reason that your ISP's spam filter is better at detecting spam is because of multiple reporting of a given spam. Identical spam messages hit millions of inboxes. If only tens or dozens of people report them, it is relatively easy for the filter to catch future spams of that type. Your individual spam filter has to "learn" over several received spams, which is not nearly as effective. There are also third-party filters that attempt to collaborate among users, but they can't compare to the widespread watch that your ISP can attain
RonR, I agree with most of what you've said. However, there are a couple of "DO NOTs" that I'd take issue with. I have an email account from my university. I supplement their use of SpamAssassin with a Sieve file which acts on the mail after SpamAssassin but before the mail comes to me. For several years, I've been quite successful at using whitelists and blacklists in the Sieve file. I've prevented lots of spam that way, as well as by tweaking the Sieve files to recognize certain spam patterns in the email headers. And though for years I would have agreed with you about not using any UNSUBSCRIBE mechanism, increasingly I've found that legitimate companies are offering this possibility, perhaps because they're sending a lot more mail to addresses they've bought. So now, if a company looks legitimate, I will make use of their UNSUBSCRIBE mechanism, and so far I haven't noticed any bad effects, just the effect I wanted: no more mail from that company.
Other than that, I agree with your DO NOTs, especially not using "challenge response" mechanisms, not forwarding chain emails, and NOT automatically downloading/viewing images in email. One more thing: the Out-of-Office messages can be dangerous. Especially these days, when it is relatively easy to get information about where someone lives, announcing to the world that you are out of the office or on vacation can be an invitation to burglars.
My advice stands. NEVER use an unsubscribe link in any unsolicited email, even if it LOOKS legitimate.
If you DID NOT subscribe -- DO NOT unsubscribe!
Bottom line is you are being proactive, and that's what really counts. Thanks for your comments. ~RonR
Even though our methods may differ, I think you and I are very much on the same page.
If my email ID is firstname.lastname@example.org how do I 'pull' it from the my.com external server into Gmail.
Initially I want to use IMAP so the files stay on the my.com server and I can manually delete when all is working ok.
Please give a bit more detail as I cant find any Gmail tool or setting to do the pulling.
Thanks in anticipation.
"Pulling" your emails into Gmail only works using POP3, but you can choose to leave the original email on the server from which you are pulling. To do that, follow these instructions:
1. When you are in Gmail, click on the gear in the upper-right corner and then click on "Settings".
2. Click on the "Accounts" tab.
3. In the "Check mail from other accounts (using POP3)" section, click on the "Add a POP3 mail account you own" link.
4. In the next window, enter your email@example.com email address and click on the "Next Step" button.
5. In the next window, enter your password and use the pull-down to enter the POP server name. Also make sure the box in front of "Leave a copy of retrieved message on the server" is checked if you want to leave the email there. Also choose any of the other options you want and then click on the "Add Account" button.
The "pulling" process runs about once each hour. Sometimes I can't wait for that hour. Then, instead of having to get into settings to kick-off the "pulling" process from my several accounts I have listed, I use one of the Gmail Labs additions to add a button to the main Gmail page to make it a lot more convenient to force the "pulling" process. To do that, go to gear - Settings - Labs. NOTE: I just tried it and found that they no longer have it as a separate Labs application. I assume that means that anytime you create a "pull" account it automatically adds a button on the main Gmail page to kick off "pulling" from all your "pull" accounts. The button looks like a rectangle with an arrow forming almost a complete circle. It is positioned immediately to the left of the "More" button. Please let me know if you get that new button after you add a "pull" account. Thanks!
That should do it. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks for your detailed info. Unfortunately the lack of IMAP is a problem as my wife and I use separate access to the email account and the pundits seem to say IMAP is better than Pop.
Web search for alternatives got me to GetMail as a possible solution, but as noted below it seems rather complex to implement on windows.
So I am not sure what to do next.
Eg. -- Getmail, a python replacement to Fetchmail. This is free software licensed under the GPL v2. More information is available on the Getmail project homepage.
But running Getmail on MS Windows needs the free Cygwin package and http://cygwin.com/Running says recent versions of Python under Cygwin requires a process known as "rebasing" your Cygwin installation; see details in Python developers' mailing list message. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt...ly/036932.html
I don't completely understand your specific situation. Please explain your situation in more detail.
If Gmail is to pull all your emails from multiple email accounts into the one Gmail account, then what would be wrong with both of you then accessing the one Gmail account using IMAP? How you pull the emails INTO Gmail has nothing to do with how you ACCESS the emails once they are in Gmail. In fact, that's exactly what I do. I access my one Gmail account from 2 separate devices, my PC and my iPod Touch. Even though my Gmail account pulls emails from multiple accounts into the one Gmail account using POP3, my access to that one Gmail account is by IMAP.
We have several IMAP email a/cs accessed by my wife and I from different machines, and different places when one of us is travelling.
We can each read all the messages and when appropriate I delete messages for me and my wife deletes those for her. However, sometimes the wrong incoming message gets deleted and this is the problem I want to solve.
My plan is to have an account MyInboxArchive@gmail that sucks all incoming mail from all accounts and holds it to provide backup against accidental deletion. We dont need to use it for anything else, just to be a backup.
Agreed we could use the archive a/c as our working a/c but the messages from different incoming accounts are now in one large a/c making it is more difficult to review and keep clear separation for our different source accounts.
It is also essential to manage the message return addresses.
When I reply to an incoming message collected from the AA a/c the 'sent from' and 'reply to' fields should read AA. And when my wife replies to a message collected from the BB a/s the fields should read BB.
How is this done without extra hassle and risk of error and confusion to the recipient ?
A related issue which I have already solved is to automatically archive all sent messages. My solution uses the great Thunderbird setting which automatically adds a BCC on all outgoing messages. So all sent messages from any of our machines automatically includes BCC: MySentArchive@gmail. We have found this to be a great facility. When I am travelling, I can see what my wife has sent from the home computer and vv. Also if any of our computers fails, the email sent archive is preserved.
Thanks again for your comments,
Clearly you've given a lot of thought to your whole email system. Now I better understand what you're trying to do. The idea of this Windows Secrets Lounge discussion is mainly centered around spam. Since your concerns are more about archiving than spam, I hope others following this discussion aren't annoyed.
The "beauty" of Gmail, particularly as part of this Lounge discussion, is that it clearly has the best spam filters available. Although they are not perfect, I rarely find false positives or false negatives (but, of course, you ALWAYS should check the spam folder in ANY system to be 100% sure it's all spam). That's the main reason I use it as an intermediate email system. Your concern is focused on archiving. From your description, you've clearly worked out a quite clever Gmail based archive of all you and your wife's sent email. (You taught me that Thunderbird has an automatic BCC capability that I didn't know about.) For archiving all your received email, I still think the one "MyInboxArchive@gmail" account will meet your needs by pulling all your received email from all you and your wife's email accounts, so long as you remember to choose the "Leave a copy of retrieved message on the server" option for each account. Then do nothing more with this new Gmail account. Because it's just an archive, ALL the rest of your current email system stays as is and is used as you're currently using it. Wouldn't that work for you?
Thanks for your comments. My apologies to others on this thread for diverging from the topic.
I agree your suggested approach will work for archiving emails from my several source accounts. But it requires changing all the source email accounts to POP because Gmail does not auto-extract from IMAP. I want to keep using the source a/cs and do not wish to change to POP for all the normal reasons, eg I often get messages with large attachments and value the option to delete them on the server without first downloading them as required by POP.
Maybe I should start another thread on archiving. Again many thanks for your help in clarifying my needs.
The one possible problem I DO see with what I'm suggesting for you is that, if an email comes into the inbox of one of your email accounts and you delete it via IMAP BEFORE Gmail has a chance to pull it down via POP, then that deleted email will never make it into the Gmail archive. The window of time when that could happen is about 1 hour, since Gmail pulls emails down via POP about once an hour. If you can live with that, it should work.
Yes, please start another thread.