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    USB Drivers (Vista)

    Any idea why Vista asks for drivers on a plug and play 7 port Kensington USB hub? It's not supposed to require any drivers. Should it matter on an HP whether those USB ports are on the front or back of te machine?

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Is this USB hub a USB 2 type or type 1?

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    2.0 on a new HP machine.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Have you enabled the plug & play service? Some configurations are delivered with it turned off. HTH
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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Is the device that you are plugging for USB 1 or 2?
    I think it is 1, that is why it is asking for drivers, as Vista does NOT support ALL USB 1 devices.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Hi Dave,

    You state that Vista does not support all USB 1 devices. Do you know of any article where I can get additional information on this topic?

    I'm trying to help a friend replace his old Celeron computer running Windows XP Home with a Dell Inspiron 530 running Vista Home Premium. Before ordering the Dell, I want to make sure that any and all of his favourite hardware and software applications can be added to the new environment. Hardware such as his USB driven HP PSC 2170 printer (which is OK according to HP), his Kodak CX6330 digital camera which might use a USB 1 port and his Garmin GPS which I also believe uses a type 1 port.

    A check of the Kodak and Garmin sites do not specifically state that newer drivers are available for his particular devices. On his behalf, I have contacted the suppliers for their input.

    I'm trying to cover all bases as I do not want him to blame me should any particular device fail to operate as expected in a new Vista environment. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    I myself acquired Vista Ultimate back in February along with MS Office 2007 Ultimate but have not installed them yet since I want to make sure I have all the required drivers for my hardware. Some of my desired apps are also slow in releasing Vista compliant versions. I can afford to be patient but my 75 year old friend is chomping at the bit to get a new system. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Thanks in advance for any assistance regarding USB type 1 device literature.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by DaveA on 27-Jun-07 18:05. Added hardware link)</P>I know of no list, but during beta there was a lot older USB Devices that would NOT work and the OEMs were NOT going to make updates so they will. This included some of the GPS devices.

    I have a couple of Thumb drives that will NOT work, I keep getting the message to install drivers from OEM. Also a USB hub does not work.

    Do a Google search on (No quotes) "Vista USB1" and you will find items including CD Players and burners.

    Bottom line, I would be leery of ANY USB 1 device. If you have access to a Vista system, borrow these items and have a test run, by tying to use them on the Vista machine.

    Check out http://support.microsoft.com/ph/11732 for some approved hardware.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Hi Dave,

    Before posting, I did search the KB site at Microsoft and the search for usb 1 support in the Vista forum only gave 14 hits. None of which applied.

    Then used Google, again nothing of interest. Then after posting the query to you I went back to Google and tried vista+usb+1 and the third hit provided some information.

    I see you edited your initial response and provided a support link. I'll take a look at that one.

    It would appear that any USB 1 device has the potential for failure... unless the developer supplies updated drivers for Vista.

    I wish my friend lived closer (he lives 500 kilometres away) so I could borrow his devices and try them in my environment which I hope to have up and running within a couple of weeks.

    Thanks again for your help... and the support link.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    According to Wikipedia, USB 2 was finally standardized at the end of 2001, having first been proposed in 2000. It is forty times faster than USB 1, where the upgrade from Ethernet 10 to 100 was by a mere factor of ten.

    Vista is the latest and most demanding Windows home operating system, and something as simple as a hub, unless it really is USB 2, is as inexpensive a hardware upgrade as you are likely to require. If you're buying new equipment, don't even consider USB1 (except to check that it isn't, and you'll only find it in junk stores if it is), and if you have legacy USB 1 items in your accumulated junk, there is a variety of applications where speed doesn't matter and they are quite all right, although you may want to give them a squirt of paint or tape to colour them as such. A hub is not all right.

    While you are at it, check the silly stickers on the new HP computer, if they are still there. (I peel mine off and stick them on ancient computers where they are entirely absurd). I am running Vista successfully on a computer that has a sticker that says 'Designed for Windows XP, Windows Vista Compitble', which I suspect is the absolute limit. I bought it last Labour Day Weekend at a favourable price, but Vista was still pie-in-the-sky at that time, and I upgraded it considerably.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    With seven ports, I presume that the hub is powered, but is the power turned on? You can run a flash drive without supplementary power, but I also have a USB-powered scanner that consumes the maximum.

    It may indeed matter which ports on the computer you use, but it's a long shot, and only the manual or such sources are likely to know. My Dell 8200 has a USB mouse and a USB keyboard, which were oddities in themselves in their day, and two and only two slots can connect to them. The keyboard, which is powered by USB, has two USB slots of its own, but which are subject to limitations. None of the native USB slots is USB 2, by the way. I added a USB 2 card to upgrade to that.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    I'm afraid this thread has split into two branches and may be confusing to read.

    Bob, USB 2 is backward-compatible, which means that anything that will communicate over any previous USB should communicate over USB 2. The only difference is one of speed. (Dave's problem with thumb drives may be an exception. I know that some thumb drives included software to run under Windows 98, so maybe some were made for 98 alone.) What will run if you change systems is a different matter, since drivers and software for older equipment may not be supported for a newer system, notably Vista. For most of us, if you really want to run Vista you have to buy a new computer.

    You have both Office 2007 and Vista but you have not installed either. You may have overlooked the fact that each has a learning-curve associated with it, and learning one is bad enough without having to learn both at once. I have the benefit of having more than one computer, but that is of limited help. Office will run very comfortably on an XP computer, which is an operating system with which you are already familiar.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Your reference to USB hub and an HP computer has me thinking you meant your reply to go to <!profile=jhollis>jhollis<!/profile> regarding <post#=656,894>post 656,894</post#> and not myself. Hopefully the OP will see your comments.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Not sure what you mean by the thread splitting into two branches.

    My initial comments are on topic and are related to USB drivers in the Vista environment for older USB connected devices. My friend who wishes to upgrade to Vista with the acquisition of a new computer does not want to leave some old hardware devices that connect via USB in the trash bin. Some are connected via type 1 ports while others are type 2. Albeit that USB2 is supposed to be backward compatible, some devices connected via USB1 will not work in a new operating environment.

    For example, I have an HP scanner (USB1) that I had to ditch when I upgraded to XP five years ago. HP did not upgrade their device drivers. The replacement HP scanner (also USB) that I acquired for XP 5 years ago is not supported in Vista. For Xmas 2006 I bought myself a new HP AIO USB device that works well in XP. However, the device drivers for that unit that will work in Vista were only released a month ago. I also have a USB1 connected Palm Pilot M515 that also needs tweaking to work in Vista. My Dymo LabelWriter Turbo 330 is USB2 but new drivers were only released a couple of months ago. My point is, valuable hardware devices of yesterday are not guaranteed to work in tomorrow's operating system unless suppliers rebuild their drivers. In the case of some suppliers, they no longer support USB1 devices in the newer O/S as they want you to upgrade. Other suppliers recognize the value of their client base... and their products.

    I built my current system 1.5 years ago with then state-of-the-art hardware. With any luck, it should last me another 3-5 years. I will not have to sacrifice any of the components when I upgrade to Vista. The only requirement will be to ensure that drivers are Vista compliant. The same holds true for my software applications. There are still of couple of apps where I am awaiting upgrades to be released. That is the main reason why I am holding off installing Vista. I decided not to install Office 2007 on any one of my three systems as I did not want to go through the hassle of reactivating when performing a clean install under Vista.

    Having been involved with computers since the late '50s with 25 year's of experience with PCs, I always look forward to new challenges and learning is fun. Specially when one is retired and has oodles of time!!! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    Vista compatibility for devices can be checked HERE.

    Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor is something you can run on a non-Vista computer to see if it is upgradeable, and which connected peripherals will or will not work. It can be downloaded HERE.

    If you perform a Google search on 'Vista readiness' you will get quite a few hits.

    I suspect that a USB peripheral that is not compatible with Vista may be a software issue unrelated to its being a USB device, unless you have a continuity problem.

    From the business end, long-discontinued devices tend not to be supported when their user base is small and dwindling, and when they work perfectly well under the systems for which they were designed. Manufacturers may also be trying to gauge the extent of the acceptance of Vista. HP has upgraded a lot of its printer and scanner software, and is expanding the list all the time. I had to check weekly for a printer that I am following (Photosmart 7150), for which they finally released a Vista driver this month.

    My apology for my having failed to follow the thread correctly. For me, learning is not fun.

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    Re: USB Drivers (Vista)

    A matter of interest to any users who have Office 2007 but are holding back on installing it is that all Office 2007 programs but one can be installed without conflict on a computer that has a different version of Office installed. The exception is Outlook.

    If you pop the Office 2007 disk in and check the install menu, you will see that you have the option of uninstalling an existing program and installing the 2007 version, or you can have both installed (except Outlook). If you seldom use Publisher, for example, you might like to uninstall the current version and install the new, or leave both. In either case, you will be installing the 2007 system, complete with a pile of new or updated fonts and that sort of thing, and you can putter about with the program, which happens to be very close to the 2003 version.

    If Word is a workhorse, you might especially appreciate having both versions present, since you can learn the new while having the previous version to fall back on for everyday work. Office OneNote has great potential and is worth installing, especially if it is new to you. You can add a program at a time and learn a program at a time, or at least get the new programs installed, drive space permitting. You might pair the workhorses, old and new, to give yourself a chance to learn the new while having the familiar to use as needed.

    I like the new Outlook, and the transition is not difficult.

    I am talking about running Office 2007 under XP, for which no new drivers are required. Drivers and software are only an issue if you are migrating to Vista.

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