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    Transparency in print (2002)

    I've got a problem where what I see isn't what I get!

    The attached doc has two identical coloured shapes with text boxes inside. Of the two versions, the top one has the text box in front, the lower is formatted with the text box behind the box.

    In Print Preview, the text appears in both, but in real life - printing to PDF or a printer - the box with the text behind does not show the text.

    What gives?

    (I'm trying to print a graphic image behind a coloured background - the 'washed-out' effect seen on-screen is what I am trying to achieve in a hard copy.)
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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Thanks, but not really. And whatever "This behavior is by design. By default, the transparent shape is rotated when it prints to prevent background shapes from disappearing and not printing." is supposed to mean I've no idea! <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15> I've exhausted every possibility I can think of, but it just doesn't want to know.

    Recreating the group as a picture is pretty ineffectual - I find (with the example) it either changes the font(!) or I end up with something that resembles a 16-bit colour graphic.

    Interestingly, if I create a pdf with the original, as the image renders you can see the background image very briefly before the 'transparent' layer is printed on screen over it. I'm wondering if it requires some special print drivers - it seems crazy that there is no obvious solution.

    Late test: I just tried using a single colour rectangle (as opposed to the two-colour fade) and that does seem to work, except that the 'transparency' is achieved with a pattern on the printer, and has this lovely grid-effect in a pdf... <img src=/S/hairout.gif border=0 alt=hairout width=31 height=23>
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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    I'm sorry, I have no further ideas.

    You may need a more advanced graphics program than Word, but that's outside my expertise.

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Thanks - I fear you may be right about needing a more advanced program <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    You might ask in the Graphic Applications forum.

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Yep - I'll probably do that when the problem comes round again. I've managed to achieve what I need avoiding transparency in this instance, but there's always the next time <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
    Thanks again.

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    As a desperate measure, you could screen print the page, open it in Paint, and cut and paste the 'graphic' as a Picture back into the document.

    Very unsatisfactory, but it would at least look as you wish.

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Thanks for the idea. I had tried that, but as the finished document is A3 (420mm x 297mm) there is a distinct lack of definition!

    (The document is artwork for an A3 display and has text ranging from 90pt to 20pt - unfortunately the overall shading I wanted to use covers the whole area, which would mean a screen-grab of the whole document. Meanwhile, I've used the old trick of changing the initial requirements to solve the dilemma <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> )

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Slightly more subtle idea then.
    This one has the text as Word Art graded in colour from bottom on top on top of the background graded in colour in the opposite direction. With the text on top it should print.

    I can see that having a lot of text in different sizes would be a difficulty, but it may be useful in some circumstances.
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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Thanks again, Owen. I hadn't thought of that for the text, but that isn't the big issue - it's getting a graphic image or photograph behind the shading that won't work!
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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Hmm, I had hoped that having the gradation in the colour/tone of the text would give the impression of being behind the shading.

    I guess it must be that MS couldn't get the printing to work properly with text behind semi-transparent graphic, so like you they 'changed the requirements'

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    >> I had hoped that having the gradation in the colour/tone of the text would give the impression of being behind the shading.

    Oh, it does! But it's not text I want behind the shading! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    Ah, you mean I should have read your original post properly.. . Ooops

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    Re: Transparency in print (2002)

    That's the trouble with transparency in Word - it's not very clear <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>

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