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    How big is a graphic? (Any)

    We are often plagued with emails containing Word documents where the ignorant user has included a graphic (logo, picture, etc) which has simply been reduced in size by moving a corner towards the other corner, to make the size in the document smaller but without reducing the actual size (as it would be in the document on disk). The record so far is 8.1 MB for a 1-page Word document containing a single graphic plus the remainder of the page in ordinary text!

    A sensible move would be to Resize the graphic with something like IrfanView before including it in the document.

    However, I'd like to know whether anyone has a rapid way of determining what the file-size (and possibly the original pixel dimensions) of a graphic embedded in a Word document actually are. The right-click menu when the graphic has been selected appears to offer little of use, other than copying and pasting it into Paint (or any one of a number of graphics programs) and saving the file to disk. Is there a quicker way?
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    You could save the document as a HTML file. Word will create a folder with all images as separate files.

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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Thanks Hans, but the results are a bit confusing.

    Each graphic in the document appears to be saved as two graphics files, one a large PNG and one a much smaller JPG. The original of at least one of them I know to have been a JPEG. There's also an OLEDATA.MSO file which is larger than all of them put together!
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Might be caused by the specific document. When I tried it, the folder contained only one copy of each image, with the same extension and size as the original.

    Anyway, in the Format | Picture dialog, you can see the original uncropped pixel size of the image, and there is a button to compress images, including removing the cropped areas.

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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Maybe I should have posted my findings here but I made a new <post:=674,466>post 674,466</post:> which I think answers John's question. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> But as usual I had a question about it so I posted in the Graphic Thread hoping for an answer there. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>


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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Thanks (and yes, I posted an answer there).

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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Here's another idea. Try saving in the new .docx (Word 2007) format. A .docx is a Zip archive, you then can open it in your favorite Zip program and explore around and see whether that supplies the information. (I'll try it later if I get a chance.)

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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Sorry, Jefferson: "Any" didn't include Office 2007!
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    I just did a quick check and found if you copy and paste an image form a Word document into Irfanview and select Image>Resize it give the image dimensions in pixels by default and cm's or inches as options. A bit faster, but still not ideal. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>

    Edited by Doc to add - Never mind... further investigation shows that does not produce the desired result. It give the size of the graphic as copied and not the original size.
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    John

    There are ways to reduce on your PC

    In Office 2002 and above

    To Compress an Image

    1. Right-click the picture in your document
    2. Select Format Picture from the shortcut menu
    3. Select the Picture tab
    4. Click the Compress button in lower left
    5. Select your options
    6. Click OK.

    Another idea is to take off Picture Preview

    1. From the File menu, select Properties
    2. Select the Summary tab
    3. Deselect the checkbox for Save preview picture
    4. Click OK.
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    This is a little off-topic and not freeware, but the latest version of Stuffit for Windows is advertised as reducing the filesize of a photo by 30%.

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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    Jerry

    Thanks, but I can easily reduce the size of a graphic by several mechanisms. (I suggested one in my original post!) That's not the problem!

    If I have a Word document with one or more embedded graphics, what I want to determine is the original file size on disk, and maybe also horizontal and vertical pixel size by as simple a method as possible. Then I will know whether it is worth me reducing the size of the graphic and put it back into the document, for onward transmission!
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    I believe you get two versions of the graphic when saving out to html when the graphic has been resized by zooming it. One graphic is the original size and the other is the resampled to screen resolution of the zoomed image. If the image hasn't been zoomed then you only get one in your html folder.

    Word has a nasty habit of copying zoomed images at screen resolution when pasting into bitmap tools such as photoshop or corel photopaint. This means you get more pixels if you stretch the image before copying it than you would if you just copied it. This makes no sense to me.

    The only way that I know of to extract the bitmap in the original resolution is to copy it and then paste this into Microsoft PhotoEditor which came with an earlier version of Office (2002?). This is the only software I have used that honours the original pixel dimensions of the copied graphic.
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    Re: How big is a graphic? (Any)

    > Sorry, Jefferson: "Any" didn't include Office 2007!

    Well, I saved from Office 2003 using the converter pack (not it's exact name) and the extracted file exactly matches the size, if not the name, of the original. So I think this could be a useful technique for those who can install the converter (2003 users certainly, not sure about earlier versions).

    (Added: PowerArchiver is a ZIP program. I assume you could get the same display in WinZip, 7-zip or many other programs. However, Windows XP's built-in compressed folder feature is not going to let you drill down into a .docx file.)
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