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    Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Andrew Cronnolly on 09-Aug-01 10:51.</FONT></P>Edit : Link included to previous post

    Has anyone ever had problems with Times New Roman Bold modifying itself to Times New Roman Bold Bold? I posted more detailed information about our problem in post number 47724 'Font Changes' on the 21st of June, but no one has answered. We really are desperate for some help, so please, some one must know something about this bizzarre occurrence.

    Thanks in advance for any help.

    Susan

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    Hello Susan,

    The problem does not manifiest itself visulally when I open your document, but your Heading 2 Style seems to be foirmatted to use Times New Roman Extra Bold. As I do not have that particular weight of TNR, the problem is hidden on my PC. Try formatting your Heading 2 Style, and set the font to Times New Roman and select Bold as the font style.

    Hope that can help.

    Andrew C.

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    I was afraid that might happen. However, none of our machines here have TNR extra bold in the font lists either -- we don't know where it came from and it definitely alters the way our docuemnts are 'supposed' to look. We also can't get rid of it. I wish I knew of some way to attach a document that would make my point obvious! <img src=/S/headthrob.gif border=0 alt=headthrob width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    Susan,

    I just co-incidentally came upon <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.microsystems.com/expert.htm>This Site</A> which just happend to mention a similar if not exact same problem. There is a document which you can download describing a Times New Roman Bold Bold problem.

    The following is a quote from the opening paragraph :
    <hr>Times New Roman Bold, Bold has come up more than once in recent days, and is now beginning to plague us in a way that has reached epidemic proportions. This article deals with what we shall call the TNRBB issue directly, not in the context of other document issues, so that we can focus on this one issue alone. What a treat!<hr>

    The document can be downloaded in Word or Acrobat formats.

    Hope it helps you.

    Andrew C

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    WOW! You're a star -- no wonder you're an MVP!!!!

    Thank you!

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    I am no expert or MVP, but here's my humble effort at resolving the problem. I had trouble reaching the thread to which replies to your original post was directed, and hence used the private e-mail option. You would have got my mail by now. However, for the benefit of other loungers, I am pasting a copy of the reply I sent to you by e-mail.

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    Hi, Susan

    Just downloaded your Word file. The most likely reason for the trouble is this:

    The file "minutes.dot" actually uses the style Times New Roman Bold, for the Heading 2 Style. In absence of this font, the name of the font displayed may be Times New Roman Bold, but Word will have "intelligently" (?) substituted this font for another one, which could be either Times New Roman or some other wider serif font like Bookman. The only way you can know that this substitution has occurred is to go to Tools|Options|Compatibility and click on the Font Substitution button there. In the dialog box that appears, choose Times New Roman as the substitution font for Times New Roman Bold and click on Convert Permanently. Save the file. The problem should disappear for future files basedon this template. When you open files already created using this template, you may have to do this procedure manually in each file, and instruct all users of this file to do the same.


    Some other things you might look out for are:

    In your template file, "minutes.dot", check if any style which turns bold unexpectedly is marked as "Automatically Update". Also, check if the same has happened in any document based on this template.

    Check also if, under Tools|Templates and Add-ins, under the name and path of the template file, the Automatically update document styles check box is checked or not. It should be unchecked, as leaving it checked is the same as setting every style defined in that template as Automatically Update.

    Rajesh H

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    Andrew (&Susan): Checked out your reference to the previous post and note that the default font in the attached doc is CG Times which usually indicates that the document was originally a WordPerfect document and therefore would pose font comptability issues.
    Years ago I posted queries (at the old Lounge) re Times New Roman Bold, Bold and to the MVP's at another site: I never received an answer that resolved the situation - just the typical "Convert Font permanently" which does not provide a permanent solution
    Patricia

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    I fully endorse the template creation method suggested by Patricia.

    A small addition:

    The highest level Heading Style should be based on "No Style" and the font should be applied directly to that style. All other heading Styles should then be "based on" this first level heading style.

    A similar approach should be taken for all running text and list styles: They should all be based on the Normal Style, and the Normal Style itself should be based on "No Style".

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    Thanks, Rajesh. This is very useful info - although we have not had issues with our templates I will have a second look at the 'highest level heading style based on' styles. "Spot on" to use my Brit friends expression- <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    Thank you so much for your help. This does sort the problem and I have learned more about it from the www.microsystems.com article called tricky times new roman bold, bold. I'm pleased there was an explanation, I thought I was losing my mind!

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    I must disagree with Rajeesh's feeling that Heading 1 should be based on No Style. If you base it on Normal, then all should flow properly. While Times New Roman Bold, Bold can crop up, if the styles are created properly (and the font name isn't selected in the drop down), it should be minimized.

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    Re: Times New Roman Bold Bold???!! (97, 2000)

    My recommendation on Heading styles is to create a style called Heading Base upon which all heading styles are based. To have a change carried through to all heading styles, it is then easy to modify Heading Base.

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