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    Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP2)

    I was checking the restore points in System Restore and noticed 2 strange programs had been installed without my permission. Both were installed on the same day (March 13th).

    Windows seems to be getting like AOL, installing things they think you should have.

    1. Windows NLS Downlevel Mapping.
    2. Software Distribution Service 3.0

    Is either of them needed and can they be removed? If so, please let me know how to remove.
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    #1 Have a look here for an explanation Mapping Locale Data on Downlevel Systems
    #2 Software Distribution Service 3.0 is nothing untoward but is related to Windows Update, it is the way updates are delivered

    I am assuming you have Updates set on automatic?
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    I did a Google and read the article you referred to. The paragraph "NLS is introducing a new direct -link library (DLL) to use for applications that you develop to run on pre-Windows Vista operating systems." does not apply to me. I'm not developing anything, especially Windows Vista. I found on Google a way to remove it and that's what I intend to do. I didn't ask for it and have no use for it either.

    I just wondered if any one else approved of things being installed without the users permission, which so far, has not been addressed.

    To answer your question, I do Not have Windows Updates set on automatic. I've read to many bad things that happen to people who have it set that way. Most web sites advise against it's use. I do manually updates every time..
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    Don't most people install the updates? I thought this was the norm, but I'm finding out otherwise. From now on I will only accept updates that I need or seem to be very important. Perhaps I will come here and ask if I should install the offered updates for my system.

    You, also, have not addressed the issue, which is - Do most posters agree that programs should or should not be installed on their computers without their permission?
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    Hi Gloria

    I have my automatic updates off and I manually go to updates once in a while to see what is on offer. I read through the various items but tend to accept the security updates without question, others I hang back on wait for any "noises" from Woody's threads and if nothing I install them <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>

    Everytime I go to MS it "nags" me about the critical update which I have told I do not want, that update happens to be IE7.

    To be honest, it is a personal choice, what is your opinion?
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    What are the KB numbers for these updates as ALL Windows Updates have KB numbers?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    I think you will find that MOST users of Windows still have the Default of auto download and install set. Then the users HERE may have been pointed out that it is not always a good thing. I have my set to notify me. But I normally get a email notice from Microsoft BEFORE my systems even get to check. At that time I will check for the updates and usually install them.

    I have NOT see any notices for the ones you are having these questions about. I do NOT think that they are Windows Updates, but may be Microsoft updates from one of their other products.

    What other MS products do you have installed?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    Hi Jerry,

    I tend to do the same, but explain which updates you consider to be 'others.' Do you mean the ones not considered Critical? I always accept the ones listed as Critical, perhaps that's where I made my mistake. Like I said before, I assumed critical updates to be almost mandatory.

    My personal choice, if possible, would be not to install any of them.
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    "I just wondered if any one else approved of things being installed without the users permission, which so far, has not been addressed."

    Sometimes you may install a (MSFT) program that you want to use, and during the setup the program finds that your PC needs some more update before it is ready to use the program.

    With your logic, when I installed Windows Desktop Search 3, and found that it also installed the hotfixes KB915865, KB915800 & KB917013, I would say: Nope, I don't want any extras installed, I just want Windows Desktop Search 3.01. That isn't possible since WDS needs among other the ifilter update (KB915800). Another example is Media Player 11.

    In this scenario, even if rare, you will find more than one installation generating Restore Points.

    As to Software Distribution Service, you don't have to be running Automatic Updates (AU) (I tend to use this description to not confuse it with WU), it can be a result of you using Windows Update or Microsoft Update to install updates, or using Windows Defender or maybe OneCare? I use neither of them, install updates manually, so can't check.

    I mentioned the <!post=Software Distribution Service in another thread,631306>Software Distribution Service in another thread<!/post>, that time it was Defender, but what do I know ... Well, all I can say is that if you have AU turned off or to notify, you maybe have some other MSFT program getting updates (as mentioned Defender et al, but you would see several then). Or you installed an update, security or other, from MS Update (visiting their page) since they seem to distribute their updates via Software Distribution Service and it was not labeled correctly in SR.

    And you can be pretty sure that if an installation generates a Restore Point it isn't malware. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Me? I install all *security updates* after some time (critical to moderate; the exact rating isn't so important since an overall rated (all Windows versions) "critical" may be rated as "important" to XP, if one reads the KBs). Other updates, on the other hand, isn't what I prioritise. Ex. non security related: KB935448 Windows XP Hotfix for another update (MS07-017), in my case and for most (as mentioned by among others Woody) it was better to get updated software (drivers from Realtek).

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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    To supply answers to your question, I went to Microsoft Update and was notified that there was a new one. The page said Welcome to Microsoft Update New!. I installed it and went to Review Your Update History and there were none.

    I do keep a paper log of the things I do on the computer each and every day. On Tuesday, March 6, 2008, I ran Microsoft Update. High-priority updates, KB944423 Security Update for Office XP.

    Security Update KB 946216 Security Update for Office Publisher and Security Update for Word 2002 KB943957. I had to insert the CD to install them.

    I did some updates before then but could not install the ones for Office because I had not unpacked the CD's at that time. If you need the KB numbers for the ones installed the previous week, I'm sure I have the numbers in my log, and I'll be happy to supply them.

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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    You stated in your first post that the updates in question were installed on March 13th. Did you run Windows/Microsoft update then? Did it want to install updates to Windows/Microsoft update before actually checking your system? If so, then the updates in question are probably part of Windows/Microsoft udpate. The following descriotn is from About National Language Support. From that description I'd say you ought to just leave those updates alone.

    About National Language Support
    The National Language Support (NLS) functions permit applications to:

    Set the locale for the user
    Identify the language in which the user works
    Retrieve strings representing times, dates, and other information formatted correctly for the specified language and locale


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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    Yes indeed, I did install updates on that date.
    No, it checked my system first and then displayed the ones I needed. I had to skip the updates for Office, because the CD's were not available. When I found them I went back and installed the updates for Office XP Pro.
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    "Sometimes you may install a (MSFT) program that you want to use, and during the setup the program finds that your PC needs some more updates before it is ready to use the program."

    That may be and probably is the case, but Windows NLS Downlevel Mapping, does seem to useful for me. Any way, I've removed it so that's the end of that story.

    As for Software Distribution Service, I left that one alone. I wasn't concerned with any of them being malware, I just would like to be asked first. Is that too much to ask? I don't think so. It may be an unreasonable view to others, but makes good sense to others.I got rid of AOL for that very reason, installing things I didn't ask for, need nor want.

    Any way, I thank you for your point of view.
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    Re: Unknown Installed Programs (Windows XP Home SP

    Please forgive my late response, still unpacking boxes and too tired to get on the computer.

    The MS products I have follows"

    Office XP Pro
    IE7
    Movie Maker
    IntelliPoint
    IntelliType

    That's it.
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