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    Widows/orphans (2003)

    Dear Loungers,

    Does anyone know why Word sometimes leave margins as wide as 2.5" at the bottom of my page when a paragraph is carried over? I know Word wants to avoid having one line of a paragraph show up isolated at the end of one page or the beginning of a new page, and so it makes adjustments. But sometimes, it leaves these enormous margins even though I have as many as five lines from the next page that would comfortably fit on the first page and still leave 2 lines together in the following page.

    JMT

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    Can you post a document that demonstrates the problem?

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    Sure thing!
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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    It is indeed the footnote that causes this. It's a bug in Word - the entire paragraph and footnote do fit on the first page, as you can see if you move the footnote marker one line up. Apparently the algorithm that computes whether there is enough room for the paragraph and accompanying footnotes is not entirely correct.

    There are several kludgy workarounds - I don't know if they're worth bothering with:
    - As noted, move the footnote marker up one line (probably not an acceptable measure).
    - Set the line spacing for the Footnote style to Exactly, 10 points
    - Slightly decrease the top and bottom margins in Page Setup, for example to 0.97".
    - Decrease the Space After for the Body Text style to 11 points.
    etc.

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    You might not prefer the result, but... you could turn off Widow/Orphan control for the Footnote Text style. In a test on Word 2007, this puts the first two lines of the footnote on the page with the text, and strands the last line all by its lonesome on the next page.

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    We used to see this a lot, too, and had pretty good luck by reducing the amount of paragraph space above and/or below in the Footnote Text style (or just in the footnote at fault). Amazing what a point or two will do sometimes.

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    Hello Hans,

    How do I move the footnote marker up one line? Are you referring to that short horizontal grey line that separates the Footnote Text from the Body Text?

    Regards,

    JMT

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    Re: Widows/orphans (2003)

    No, I meant the footnote number in the body of the document. You can drag and drop it to a different location in the document.

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