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    Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    This will sound like it, but it isn't meant as a condemnation of Vista, but a short-time observation. In this short time I've been running Vista, although I didn't have the more serious difficulties that Viking did, I've had more crashes than I've had with XP in all the years I've used that OS. Something to be said for the stability of XP.

    I've been very careful to install only software apps "designed" (or claimed to be) for Vista and in reality I don't have all that much installed yet. Here's just one example from earlier this morning. I booted to Vista and listened as Avast updated itself - THAT may have been the cause for the following scenario. All I did while there was check the Lounge. I then opened the properties dialogue of a desktop shortcut to change its running from maximized to normal window. I also changed the Vista "new email" sound to the one I'm used to from XP. That's it.

    I went to the Start Menu to restart so I could go back to XP. Nothing happened, so I thought maybe I hadn't really clicked correctly. Tried again and nothing happened. Did a C-A-D to get to Task Manager to see if something was hung up and Task Manager wouldn't come open. I kept at this scenario for 10 or 15 minutes and finally punched the power button to shutdown the machine. After a "cool off" pause and a restart, I got some kind of "security" warning that I didn't bother to write down, I was a bit annoyed putting it mildly. I went back to XP and ran a full restore of Vista from last night's image backup and everything is fine. I repeated the two things I told you that I did and those didn't re-create the problem, so I can only assume that Avast's update did something bad. Strangely, Avast did that same update again and the problem didn't resurface.

    I'll never know, but ...

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Was this before your first cup of coffee? <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
    Sometimes it takes two cups to get started <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Al,
    As you said, I seemed to have had my share of problems with Vista. Although it does seem to have quieted down somewhat. During that time, I also had more BSODs since the days of Windows 95. I have checked and rechecked my drivers and programs to insure that they were updated and compatible with Vista. I'm STILL not overjoyed with Vista itself, at least at this point.
    I split my time about 50-50 between XP & Vista and the crashes always occur when running Vista.

    There WAS a time when I noticed that some of the crashes seemed to be somehow timed with an Avast update or change. It was just one of a few theories that I was trying to prove but they still remain theories. No proof. Maybe it might be worth changing to another AV program to see what , if any, difference it makes.

    Meanwhile, I continue along, trying to give Vista a fair break.
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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Also wanted to add:
    I have a sizable amount of RAM to handle Vista and have tested it a few times using Vista's built in memory tester and a third party memory tester ( System Mechanic ) and it always gives it clean bill of health.
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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Got a new DELL laptop in Feb 2008 with factory loaded Vista Home Premium and bundled McAfee Security Center. Updated video card driver and then installed SP1 on 21 March. Have not had any BSOD instances so far.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    I too should add, in fairness to Avast, that I think I was right in the middle of changing the properties of that shortcut at the moment the Avast notice popped up, so my clicking might have "interfered" with Avast trying to download its data file. I frequently notice that Avast does an update upon reboot or first thing in the morning so I think I'll just keep an eye on it for awhile.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Just for my own satisfaction or curiosity, I removed the Avast AV from Vista and installed free AVG for Vista.
    Kept Avast going on my XP partition.
    Let's see what if any difference it makes.
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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Al, Bob,
    I've been reading this volley since it's inception. I feel I just need to add my 2 cents worth.
    Four weeks ago circumstances were right and I bought a laptop pre-installed with Vista Home Premium w/SP1 pre-installed.
    I am very impressed, I've had 0 problems and even setup my wireless home network with my existing XP desktop. The only situation I've had was with AVG as I had it installed on both my XP and Vista systems, I determined that whichever system 1st got online - it updated with the current definition files, leaving the other to wallow in it's on bytes - not updated. Solved that by removing AVG on the vista system and installing Avast. Works sweet, with no problems whatsoever.
    Again, let me re-iterate, that this was a system built for vista, not upgraded.
    I remember the hassel we went through when we updated from my previous windows installation to XP - all of the fears of god came down on me for having upgraded and not done a 'clean install'.
    Since I did not have the hardware for a vista upgrade, I opted to buy a ready-built unit, and so far I have not regretted it for a minute. Rock solid for the applications I need (want) to run.
    My feelings are with you Al and Bob, for the problems in upgrading. May your bytes simmer down with time.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    I have also been following this and other threads about the problems with Vista. I wonder how many of those who have major problems with Vista are using OEM installations, and how many have installed Vista on older machines. I have a machine that came with Vista installed. When I first got it, Windows Update didn't work properly, and I solved the problem by reinstalling. Since that time, Vista has worked well, and I haven't had any major problems. Meanwhile, I have three XP machines that have had their share of problems. (But at least I haven't been foolhardy enough to try to upgrade them to Vista.) All in all, I prefer Vista to XP. But then, maybe I'm weird, because I also like Office 2007 and haven't had any trouble with the Ribbon that others seem to hate.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    A little more info to add to the pot.

    Yesterday, I spent a few hours using Microsoft on line live tech support, talking to "Mukesh" about the BSODs and all. We went through all of the usual "tests" and checks and I even gave him remote control of my machine so he could look at settings and various other time consuming things. He consulted with "other resources" and could only suggest that there was "some problem" with my memory? He suggested that I go through the substitution of memory sticks to determine what stick was giving me these nasty things.
    Now this was after I explained that the BSODs were very random and had no particular pattern to know just WHEN they would occur. So I asked ( kind of sarcastically ) if I should wait for a few days or so before again swapping the sticks around? This could take months! Also wanted to know why it was crashing ( using the same memory ) only when Vista was running and never when XP was active?
    No answer to that one.
    This morning I get a phone call from Mukesh, asking if I had a chance to try his substitution tests yet? Well, I really hadn't but told him it was only a few hours since we last talked and that I hadn't even opened the case yet. I don't think I will either.
    So he leaves the case as " not closed but not solved". I DO have to give MS credit for persistence though!
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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    I don't remember if you updated to Vista from XP or installed a clean version of Vista. I've run Vista on a machine at home for 18 months with no BSODs. And on a machine at work for about 90 days with no BSODs. From all that I've read BSODs seem to be almost exclusively driver or hardware related on Vista.

    If RAM is the issue one reason for the randomness of the BSODs could be the random way that Vista is loaded each time it is booted. Vista uses a random number to use as a base for loading system components. This was designed to help thrawt people trying change fixed memory locations to corrupt the OS. So, 'playing' with the memory sticks may be useful.

    Beyond that I'd recommend that you double check all drivers for the most recent updates.

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Good point, Bob, and I'm too lazy to go check the other thread where this is discussed. Have you tried running Software Inspector - Secunia in Vista to see what it says about your machine?

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Thanks for your input, Fafner. At least I'm glad to find out I'm not the only one that 'likes' Vista - and add to that Office 2007. I've received Office 2007 from the Home Use Program of my employer/Microsoft - really sweet.
    I use MS Office so infrequently that the ribbon doesn't bother me or my wife. Icons aren't where they used to be but the menus are.
    Just an FYI:
    3 gigs Ram
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    Wifi w/Bluetooth support

    Works sweet, I've yet to find any problem, and so far every program I've installed has worked flawlessly - much more better than the 512 megs ram XP system <g>

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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    >>double check all drivers for the most recent updates

    Yep, been doing just that for about the third time around.

    I installed Vista in a dual boot config with XP.
    XP runs like a champ.
    Vista runs like a "flash in the pan".
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    Re: Vista Crashes (Ultimate SP1)

    Is the system from a big OEM or a white box or a DIY? How about some details of the hardware? Maybe something will stand out.

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