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    Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    I feel I am REALLY trying to give Vista the benefit of the doubt and giving it a good trial. I'm not fiddling around with settings or trying to make changes just to personalize the OS. I'm just running it with limited applications and trying to familiarize myself with this Redmond Remake.

    I recently had big problems with logging automatically on to my DSL line on boot. The local NIC showed limited connectivity and after much help from other Loungers and MS on-line chat support, that is cleared up and working fine. <img src=/S/crossfingers.gif border=0 alt=crossfingers width=17 height=16>
    One of the things the on line guy did was to take remote control of my PC to check some things out. After he was done, the remote access was terminated and all seemed well.
    Coincidence or not, soon after that I checked Device Manager and the Network Settings and the result was as shown in the screenshot below.

    Multiple lines of 6T04MP, ISATAP and one Teredo Tunneling thing. I have tried to disable these and or uninstall them but back they come. They don't appear to be affecting my ability to access the net at all or slow down my line speed. I googled them and it seems that they are a known bug in Vista and MS says "just ignore them" ( 6T04MP & ISATAP ) The Teredo entry is a result of the remote control session but despite it supposedly being terminated after the session, it reappears?
    I have looked at Autoruns and MSCONFIG and can not see anything that would be putting these things back in. I DID find mention of them in the reg but it will not allow me to change or delete them. I am logged in as admin and supposedly have all access to these. Not true.

    So here I am again with an open mind to hear any and all suggestions!!!!
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Bob. Regarding unability to delete Registry Keys even when logged in as Administrator have you looked at this thread where a successful work around is described?

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    John,
    Yes thanks. I did go that route and supposedly I have "full control" etc, but apparently not enough full control.
    Which is another PIA about Vista.
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Remember that these "HOOKS" are in place so that they can NOT be changed by a script or a Virus.

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Dave,
    I understand that BUT it seems like they ( MS ) have carried this security thing out to the point of paranoia. I want to control my system not rely on the judgement of a coder in MS.
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Bob,

    I understand your consternation..... but Vista, like so many products being produced today are a result of companies "listening to their customers". So, Microsoft after having endured constant assaults by what I suspect was a small but very vocal minority of customers in regard to how vulnerable Windows was decided to implement what we now all have to endure in Vista. Personally, I have chosen to disable the UAC and get on with my otherwise normal computing experience. Most of my clients I recommend leaving UAC alone, although I could create some further business for myself if I didn't! <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>

    The items you have provided in your screenshot have no negative affect upon your PC's performance or function and thus I say to simply ignore them. Eventually, they will probably either be used or removed with a future update. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Hi Bob,

    Your frustration level must be high, to say the least. I am also running Vista Ultimate SP1 and do not experience like issues. However, I know you do not want to hear stuff like that.

    I too googled that 6TO4 adapter item and got close to 7,000 hits. There are all sorts of suggested actions, which I am sure you have tried. Some are tied to specific PC manufacturers, chipsets etc. One interesting note was tied to the use of PPPoE. I noticed that you have a series of WAN Miniport items, one of which is tied to PPPoE. Now I am not suggesting that this might cause the issue... but bear with me.

    I have only one network adapter and am connected to Sympatico using the PPPoE protocol. There are no PPPoE adapters present in my environment.

    Now I know you said you tried disabling and / or uninstalling the 6TO4 and ISATAP adapters. Have you tried uninstalling ALL adapters... including what I believe is your main adapter the Netgear FA311v2?

    Do you have the most current driver for your Netgear card?

    I'd try 1) uninstalling all the adapter drivers, 2) power down and physically remove the Netgear FA311v2 adapter and 3) power up to see what network adaptors exist... hopefully none.

    If none, I'd then 4) install the current FA311v2 Vista drivers, 5) power down and reinstall the FA311v2 hardware and 6) power up and let Vista find the newly installed FA311v2 driver.

    If all that works and the surplus adapters are gone, sit back and have a beer. If 6TO4 and ISATAP are still there, have two beers.

    (It goes without saying that you should perform a backup before trying any of the above... but I know, you know that!)

    Cheers, Bob
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Hi Jeff,
    One of the first things I did was to disable UAC but still there are areas of forbidden, no touch folders and files.
    So far as those 6T04's and ISATAPs are concerned, I don't THINK there is any detrimental effect to them but it bothers my engineering mindset to see things like that and I have great difficulty "just ignoring" them!

    I can remember in one of my classes on reading schematic drawings. The example used was a drawing of a "state if the art" communications switching device. Up in one corner of the drawing was an unknown symbol that no one could figure out. Sort of a one turn coil with elongated ends. It had a notation next to it of "PNUF".

    What did that mean? Prof said, "performs no useful function". So I guess these fall into the same category: PNUF.
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Bob,
    Thanks for your reply.
    Like I said in one of my other posts, I'm really glad that there are users of Vista that are happy and content with it. Too bad I'm not one of them. I'm in a sort of "it's sort of working but it's not surely working" modes.

    I have done most of your suggestions, short of actually going inside the box and pulling the NIC. If I just uninstall of those other entries, they just reappear on the next boot. Same number and all.

    The driver for the Netgear are the most up to date and current for Vista according to Netgear.

    I suppose I should rouse myself to go in and remove it to see what happens but your last suggestion to have a couple of beers sounds like the more appealing option.
    Will keep updating on this. ( the removal of the card, not the beers )
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    I also understand your irritation with accessing certain things under Vista. You must remember that even though your account is a member of the administrator group you do not have the rights of THE Administrator account. Your account just like any other is subject to rights & permissions granted by the owner of an object. This is very frustrating to those of us used to the XP model. We are just going to have to get used to it though as I'm sure that MS is not going to go back to that old model.

    If you can be more specific about what files & folders are giving you access errors someone here may have an explanation.

    As far as the various network adapters go, I agree that you need to uninstall everything to the point of physically removing the adapter and starting from scratch. If you still get all the adapters then you've got some software that is being run that is creating these adapters. Does your DSL connection software autostart? If so, I'd recommend that you disable the autostart while you do the 'start from scratch step'.

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Joe has stated things very well.

    I have been told that Apple has the MAC tied up real tight and most of the OS is not accessible. Even to the point it will rebuild the OS back the way Apply wants it.

    Remember with all the "Problems" with a PC it has been Microsoft's fault, and with Vista they (Microsoft) has tried to put a stop to some of the third party changes to the OS that mess things up for other third party's.

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    I understand what you are saying, Joe.
    Understand but sure don't agree with the MS stand on having the invisible Administrator sitting in the background dictating what can or can't be done.
    So far as SOME of the filesfolders off limits:
    In Windows Explorer:
    D:BobApplication Data
    cookies
    My music
    my pictures
    my videos
    EVEN, BobLocal SettingsTemporary Internet Files.
    Etc, Etc.
    ????

    Network Adapters? Yes, I finally got DSL to auto startconnect on boot.
    I suppose complete removal of the adapter is the next step. I have to have a talk with our cat, who has set up her favorite sleeping area on the top of the CPU box. Try to keep those openings of the box to a minimum!
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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Remember that these "My music, my pictures, my videos" are left overs for older programs. These are NOT to be use except by the SYSTEM. During Beta, some of the testers were going and changing the permissions on the "My" series and then things were really going hay wire. Most of these Protected folders MS has reasons for the setting. I to do NOT agree with all of them.

    If you do the clean ups through IE Internet Options, then most of the items you are trying to address will be clened up. You can view most of these folder using the "Settings" buttons on the General tab.

    Now if you mean Music, Videos and Pictures" then you should have access without any problems.

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    The folders you listed are not real folders any more.They are all shortcuts created so that programs which have not been updated to the new naming and/or folder structure will still work.

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    Re: Yet another Vista quirk (Vista Ultimate SP1)

    Dave & Joe,
    Those files I mentioned were just examples of some of the "prohibited" FilesFolders that are off limits, not necessarily ones that I was attempting to get at.

    Why even show them if you can't do anything with them? Make then hidden and simplify the folders tree when you open Windows Explorer.
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