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    Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    In addition to information provided in Tony's <post#=716263>post 716263</post#>, I have come across a couple of websites with more information as well as links to even more information:

    o eWeeks "Firefox 3: The Next-Generation Web Browser" <- includes comparison's to other new Browsers including IE 8.
    o CPU's "Battle Of The Browsers"
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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    I just received the latest Windows Secrets newsletter and in it there's an article by Scott Dunn about Fx3 that's worth looking at, especially for the easter egg at the end.

    Dig deeper to reveal the secrets of Firefox 3 - WindowsSecrets.com

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Thanks for the headsup. Although I do not have FireFox 3 installed yet (still going to wait awhile), I found some intesting information clicking on the Easter egg hung in google.

    Came up with The Complete Field Guide to Testing Firefox 3.

    I really like the backup FireFox 2 profile option. Maybe UI will try Firefox 3 on my Test computer this weekend when I have more time.
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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Thanks for the links. I'd like to be able to like Firefox 3 and start using it but after a couple of attempts I'm back with Firefox 2. I loathe the keyhole design for the navigation buttons - it's just too obtrusive for me. I can't find a simple, clean theme that is compatible. That coupled with the lack of support for several extensions has left me with a rather jaundiced view. The new features seem to go against the way I have customised Firefox. Basically, version 2 works well for me and I saw no massive improvement in speed that I have read about. I have a creeping feeling that Mozilla is heading in the direction of Microsoft and Google with income generation becoming too pervasive.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    <hr>I have a creeping feeling that Mozilla is heading in the direction of Microsoft and Google with income generation becoming too pervasive.<hr>
    Seems unlikely, since there are no investors who need to get paid. I think the real issue is that the project's effort to broaden its appeal from the most tech-savvy users to a wider audience may be alienating power users who demand precise control and prize efficiency over ease of use. There needs to be a document, similar to the ones people wrote for Windows 2000 users transitioning to XP, on how to make Fx3 a lean, mean browsing machine for expert users. If that does not exist today, I'm sure the information will dribble out over the coming weeks.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    <hr>I think the real issue is that the project's effort to broaden its appeal from the most tech-savvy users to a wider audience may be alienating power users who demand precise control and prize efficiency over ease of use.<hr>
    There may be something in this, though I think that lack of precise control actually decreases ease of use. I found version 3 less easy and more annoying to use, but I'm sure that's partly because I am familiar with the way I want Firefox to work. Regarding my feeling about income generation, here's a link to a recent article from The Register - Mozilla phancies doing a Phorm. I just hope Mozilla backs aways from this and my creeping feeling is unfounded.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    I'm not sure that the potential future anonymous opt-in tracking is any different than choosing to install the Alexa toolbar. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> I guess we'll see what develops.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Well, it was quick and easy with no troubles. I have XP on one drive and Vista on another and run Fx on both OSs from the profile on the XP drive. This morning I first ran Fx 3 installation on the XP drive and made sure it would run OK from the correct profile. I then did it again from the Vista drive, ran to test it and found no trouble.

    Like you, Chris, I don't see any change in speed, either in load time or page rendering so far, but it's only been a few hours so I don't know. Unlike you however, I don't find anything to "dislike" either and I think by and large the darn browsing window still looks pretty much the same as it did. Is the attachment what you meant by the "keyhole" buttons? I run NO addons and use the Firefox default theme, so mine is nothing special. The bulk of the "improvements" that I'm sure are there must be mostly under the covers. I see that the URL box behaves differently and that bookmarks have significant modifications, but so far I don't "SEE" much more than that. I took a quick cruise through the Options screens and don't see anything jumping out at me, but it may be my old eyes! I don't know - I'm gonna take their word for it that there are LOTS of improvements and start looking and reading, but it looks like the same ol' Firefox to me.
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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Chris, the look of the standard toolbar can be changed from the "keyhole" look by simply customizing it. I changed the toolbar to show "Icons" only and checked the "Use Small Icons" check box. The result is below. If you experiment with these options, perhaps you may find something more to your liking.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Thanks, I'll check that out next time I try out version 3. I did have a look for alternative buttons but I didn't find any. What you show is a lot better, though I prefer the plain simple arrows with no button image.

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    Re: Additional Firefox 3 Info (FireFox 3 Beta)

    Hi Big Al, sorry, just noticed your question. This article shows the basic key-hole design, though it seems it isn't implemented for every operating system. With Firefox 2. I'm using the basic theme, except that somehow I changed the home button, though now I can't remember how. The change in the Address Bar is most unwelcome, I don't need or want it to search bookmarks or guess where I want to go. I almost always know where I am going <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>. The positioning and style of the new bookmarks box was also irksome to me. I think I'm using an extension or I somehow changed some buried setting. but currently with Firefox 2 when I type Ctrl + D a dialogue box pops up with two small arrow keys.One drops down the last five used folders the other one drops down the whole bookmark tree. I find the set up I have useful and pleasing to use. Incidentally, here is a list of the extensions I have installed:

    Generated: Sun Jun 22 2008 06:11:28 GMT+0900 (Tokyo Standard Time)
    User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14
    Build ID: 2008040413

    Enabled Extensions: [24]
    - Adblock Plus 0.7.5.5: http://adblockplus.org/
    - Advanced Bookmark Search 0.3: http://www.google.com/search?q=Firefox Advanced Bookmark Search
    - All-in-One Sidebar 0.7.5: http://firefox.exxile.net/aios/
    - Bookmark Duplicate Detector 0.6.4: http://bookmarkdd.mozdev.org/
    - Bookmarks LinkChecker 0.6.8.4: http://www.google.com/search?q=Firefox Bookmarks LinkChecker
    - British English Dictionary 1.19: http://www.google.com/search?q=Firefox British English Dictionary
    - CacheViewer 0.4.7: http://tinybenki.sblo.jp/
    - Clippings 3.0: http://clippings.mozdev.org/
    - CookieCuller 1.3.1: http://cookieculler.mozdev.org/
    - CS Lite 1.3.8: http://forum.softwareblaze.com
    - Custom Buttonsē 2.0.7.6: http://custombuttons2.com/
    - CustomizeGoogle 0.72: http://www.customizegoogle.com/
    - DOM Inspector 1.8.1.14: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/
    - Favicon Picker 2 0.3.4.3: http://www.google.com/search?q=Firefox Favicon Picker 2
    - IE View Lite 1.3.2: http://www.graysonmixon.com/extension/
    - LinkChecker 0.6.2: http://www.kevinfreitas.net/extensions/linkchecker/
    - MIME Edit 0.60: http://www.google.com/search?q=Firefox MIME Edit
    - MR Tech Toolkit (formerly Local Install) 6.0.1: http://www.mrtech.com/extensions/
    - NoScript 1.6.9.3: http://noscript.net
    - QuickNote 0.6.0.4: http://quicknote.mozdev.org/
    - ScrapBook 1.3.3.6: http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/
    - Stylish 0.5.7: http://userstyles.org/stylish/
    - Tab Mix Plus 0.3.6: http://tmp.garyr.net
    - Tag Editor 0.6: http://huygun.blogspot.com
    - Web Developer 1.1.6: http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

    For me, I think Adblock Plus, All-in-one Sidebar, Book-Mark Duplicate Detector, CookieCuller, Mr Tech Toolkit, Noscript, Scrapbook and Tab Mix Plus are the ones I most rely on. I think I could (and will)do some pruning of the others I have installed.

    Perhaps it is the under-the-hood changes that are interfering with my current set-up. I definitely want to have a theme with out the keyhole design. It seems that to try some themes it is necessary to create an account with Mozilla, another change that I find unwelcome. I guess I'll keep Firefox 2 for a few months and then see how 3 is progressing. I do remember that when I moved up to version 2 I also disliked the changed design, but I also found the benefits in some of the other changes that got me interested enough to install it early and fiddle around to get the layout to my liking. With 3 I didn't find enough advantages that make me want to bother with it.

    Chris

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