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    Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Hi all. I have just defragmented my C drive using "Defraggler and got the pop up shown in the attachment. Reads almost like an oxymoron in that it says the defrag was complete but there are files that were still fragmented. I would appreciate an explanation for this report and and advice as to how to defragment the entire drive so it is all blue, if that's possible. Thank you.
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    A defragmenter cannot reorganize some files on your system disk because they are in use. This is to be expected.

    Moreover, your hard disk doesn't have a lot of free space. This limits the ability of a defragmenter to move (parts of) files around in order to defragment them. If you had more free space, the defrag,enter would probably leave fewer fragmented files. But you'll never get all blue.

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    PS. I have just done another defrag using the Microsoft package and got the report which I have again attached, maybe the second screen shot will shed some further light on the reason for the failure. Regards
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Pardon my ignorance Hans but when you say the files cannot be defrag'd because they are in use what do you mean as I only had one program [a commentary] running during the defrag which I was reading seeing the process took so long. regards
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    I don't use Defraggler or the MS equivalent so I can't advise you about what you saw. I use Perfect Disk and don't have this problem.

    BUT, I have to ask you, haven't we been down this road before: why are you attaching screenshots in .DOC files, requiring the viewer to open a document file just to see your screenshot. Surely by now you must know how to attach a JPG or PNG file to a post?

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Even if there is only one program that you started yourself, there are many processes running on your PC, and each of them may have several files in use:
    - Windows itself.
    - Software firewall.
    - Anti-virus application.
    - Anti-spyware application.
    - Keyboard driver.
    - Mouse driver.
    - Display driver.
    - Auto-updaters for one or more of the above.
    etc.

    Even if I do nothing on my PC, there are at least 28 active processes, and that's a relatively small number.

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Components of the operating system are files themselves and thus some are always in use. On my Vista system I have 84 processes running. The free defrag programs of which I'm aware do not allow you to select boot time defrag which is the only time you'll be able to access most files that are normally in use. You can turn around and run programs immediately after completion and possibly get more files to defragment as you've created more contiguous free space by the first defragmentation.

    BTW, there is a body of thought that contends that the size of todays hard drives and their attendant huge amounts of free space eliminates the need to defrag for most users. If you subscribe to that line of thinking then the builtin Windows defrag program is more than adequate.

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Another PS. I realise the C drive which size is 37.2 GB is far to full there only being 9.32 free space left and note also that the "My Documents" folder is taking up 11.2 GB of the used space. I have communicated with a local friend in recent weeks and he has suggested the "My Doc" folder can be moved to the D drive which has 55 GB of the 111GB still free but recommended I run the idea past the loungers for further advice. He said the process begins with clicking on the "Move" tab as shown in the attachment. I would appreciate further advice on this before going any further down this road. Many thanks.
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Yes, that's a possibility - it would free up a lot of space on your C: drive.

    (Did you read Bigaldoc's request?)

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Thanks one and all for the feed back, I'm getting the drift of what is being said and what prompted me to ask the original question. As for what Big Al said about the attachments, I doctored the screen shot using Microsoft Photo Editor but it was still 218 KB so decided as the Word doc was only 70 KB to use that, it being less than 100 KB. SF
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    What file format did you use for the screenshot? .bmp, .gif, .png, .jpg? A .bmp generally results in big files, while a .png or a .jpg of a screenshot of 640x480 pixels or less will usually be well below 100 KB.

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Hello Hans. SORRY I can't remember what file format was selected when I saved the screen shot, I failed to check what was showing but I'll try to remember next time to choose .jpg for the reasons you specified. As for moving the "My Docs" folder I may just venture to click on the "Move" tab and see where it takes me. Would it be expedient to fix a System Restore date before I turn this blind corner or is it straight forward? Cheers
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Duplicated!!!!! so deleted
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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    System Restore won't help here. There shouldn't be a problem, but you could make a regular backup of your data to be on the safe side.

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    Re: Defragmenting (X Proff. SP2)

    Just to add to what Big Al said, the more sophistocated commercial defragers, like Perfect Disk, will often revert to scheduling a defrag on the next reboot, because of files currently "in use". This means the (next) defrag can be done before any of those files are accessed i.e. before Windows has "fully" booted up. Complete defrag is then (theoretically) possible.

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