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    KTYorke
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    Service Marks in Netscape

    I'm creating a webhelp file with RoboHELP HTML.
    I need to put a service mark on a word (the SM... rather than the TM)

    I can use Insert/Symbol, like in Word, for the trademark, registered and copyright symbols that show up nicely in Netscape... but there is none for the service mark...

    I tried to superscript the letters SM in Lucidia Consol to get the same general effect to work in IE but Netscape won't superscript...so I have two questions...

    Is there a code for service marks that I just can't find?
    Failing that, what is the code in Netscape to superscript a letter.... and can it be combined with IE code without a problem?

    ggggrrrrrr Netscape.... <img src=/S/aflame.gif border=0 alt=aflame width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/meltdown.gif border=0 alt=meltdown width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/wartgun.gif border=0 alt=wartgun width=73 height=24>

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Quck thought to try:

    1] Enter "service mark symbol netscape" in Google and click Search.
    2] Find a site with an actual 'service mark' symbol and check you can view it in Netscape.
    3] If you can, go View Source and see how they did it it.
    4] If not, go back to step 2

    Tip: Does <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.salomonsmithbarney.com/abt_sb/trademarks.html>http://www.salomonsmithbarney.com/ab...rademarks.html</A> do anything for you?
    It uses <SUP>sm</SUP>

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    <img src=/S/bingo.gif border=0 alt=bingo width=15 height=22>
    duh... didn't even think of looking at other sites to see how they did it... and all I could find is the <sup> commands... <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
    I guess no one wants to deal with service marks... or bother with the difference between them and trademarks... I'll try the sup command after lunch... Lex is reminding me I haven't eaten yet.... <img src=/S/hushmouth.gif border=0 alt=hushmouth width=16 height=16>
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Use the entity instead - <sup>& reg;</sup>. That gives you the r-in-a-circle.
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    right... that I know... but what's the entity for SM?
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    <img src=/S/doh.gif border=0 alt=doh width=15 height=15> I donno... Doesn't one size fit all?
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Don't I wish <img src=/S/doh.gif border=0 alt=doh width=15 height=15>
    I know copyright is & copy;
    registered mark is & reg;
    Trademark is & #8482;
    I found the unicode... 2120
    but I can't get that to work <img src=/S/weep.gif border=0 alt=weep width=21 height=16>

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    What about using a small image, which you draw in Paint shop Pro?
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    I came across a few references whilst having a little search - they all came up with "I can't get it to work" . . .
    According to this site <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.natural-innovations.com/boo/doc-charset.html>here</A> it's & #8480

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Ah well...
    <sup>sm</sup> looks pretty good.
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Geoff,
    I'm thinking about making a small graphic... it's a possibility... now finding the time so I can get it good enough for anal-retentive me... <img src=/S/moon.gif border=0 alt=moon width=15 height=15>

    Leif,
    I couldn't get 8480 to work either... it comes up as a box. and from what I see of the link you provided they couldn't either... hence the graphic pasted in that cell instead of the code... drat.

    Eileen,
    In order to use <sup> I'd also want to change the font to Lucida rather than our normal text, Arial. Problem with coding it is that we're technical writers... granted, a few of us know our way around straight HTML code and would only see it as an annoyance... some of my co-workers have never really seen or understand HTML tags and such. A damper when trying to make an easy peasy generic template able to cross browsers in a single bound!! <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>


    Thanks guys, for all your suggestions I really appreciate it... and if someone can get something that works... great! If not I think I'm leaning towards the graphic at this point. Luckily it will only be used on the Copyright and Permissions page in the help file and no where else... until our lawyer changes his mind again when he sees it... <img src=/S/sigh.gif border=0 alt=sigh width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Kind of silly only to use TM or SM or

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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Jefferson... believe me I respect what you do man... I've been on the US Patent and Trademark site for the past week looking up everything we use frequently and making a comprehensive list.

    Our documents live and die by the legal department and we're sick of getting our docs back because the trademarks are wrong... our guy in legal wants a Copyright and Permissions page for our written manuals that states the name of whatever with the symbol and then if it's a registered trade or service mark of whatever company... blah! But ladies and gentlemen... we're not done!!! We also have to mark the first instance that mark is used in the document with the appropriate mark...
    For example it would be, Adobe® Acrobat® Reader® are registered trademarks of Adobe Systems Inc. <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15> (and according to the US site Reader is still just a trademark... yet on their website they say it's registered <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>)

    With web help it's a little different and he said that it would be OK if we stick a single page loaded with all the copyright and trademarks stuff on a page as a hyperlink off the main page (it is NOT form level help, so the help, no matter where you are in the application will always point to the main page)

    So luckily, to keep this guy happy, all we have to do is worry about the one page. I have a feeling you're going to disagree with his philosophy... by all means... I have a suspicion (especially after all the research I've done and the few questions I've asked him) he's making it up as he goes along... <img src=/S/sigh.gif border=0 alt=sigh width=15 height=15> This ain't my job man... but it seems I have to do it because no one else around here will.</rant>

    Thanks!
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    KTYorke
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    Re: Service Marks in Netscape

    Well, here's what I came up with... Our help files all use 9pt. Arial for body text hence the small size of the graphic. I hope this helps anyone else that may need it in the future!
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