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    Access denied - TIF file

    When I save an image from the web, I like to save the URL with it. I do this by right-clicking, selecting Properties and then dropping the URL into the Comments section on the Summary tab.

    This works for JPEG files but does not work for GIF files (apparently there is no spare space in the GIF architecture for such storage). I recently downloaded some TIF graphics and tried to do the same thing.

    But instead, i got the error message below:

    <center>Changes to Summary properties could not be saved; access has been denied.
    The file may be marked read-only or may be in use by another application.
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    No one was holding the file as I have a tool to show me who is holding a file and can check this. I also did not get the usual prompt from Unlocker which validates that the file was not held. And the file is not marked read only either.

    Does anyone have any ideas? Maybe TIF files can't support additional info added to them like JPEG can? Or maybe this is some Windows issue?

    I am running WinXP SP3.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    It appears to be related to Editing the File Property Summary Values May Damage TIFF/EX Files. I gather that you can't edit summary properties for TIF files.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    Thanks Hans!

    Since the article is addressed to XP, do you know if Microsoft got around to fixing this problem in Vista or Windows 7?

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    I was going to look to see if I could answer your question in my Vista OS, so I wanted to check XP first. Where did you go to try to add a comment to a TIF file? I can't find where, in Properties, to do that.
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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    Try clicking on the 'Simple' button.
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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    Yeah, I did that already and it's not accessible.

    Added: It could be a difference in Windows versions. I run XP SP3 but the Media Center Edition.
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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    XP Pro SP3 here, and I can edit the properties of all .tif's I can find on my machine.

    If you want to email me a file you can't edit, I'll see if I can access the comment field...

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by Argus on 06-Dec-08 12:30. Major typo.)</P>Or double-click on the line were the comments etc. should be (in your screen shot).

    But sometimes it's blocked for whatever reason (file types perhaps, other things?). Wasn't there some change related to TIFF in Office 2003 SP3, ehm, here it is: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938813

    There is something called TIFF with JPEG compression that isn't supported in Office 2003 SP3 anymore.

    Don't ask me <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> I usually don't deal much with TIFF.
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    Should be "click" of course, no need to double, if it is possible to add that is.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    Wow Leif, most of 'em are so big I don't want to clog up your email if we don't have to. But first, I just went back again to try a few more and it's strange. Some will allow and some will not. Here's a clip of just three directories I tried. The Abby files would allow edit of the comment field, but the ScanSoft and My Documents files would not. There must be some other factor in the files themselves, maybe not the OS. Let me keep looking to see if I can find a reasonably small file to send to you.
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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    I've just emailed a file, Leif - the smallest I can find that will not allow an edit. I also looked on my Vista drive (while still in XP) and only have ONE file on the whole drive. It's a welcome fax file, evidently from when I installed Vista, so I don't know if it's worth a test over on that drive or not. It would be nice to discover what the roadblock is in XP first I guess.

    BTW, I did try, on the file I sent you, to change the Windows permissions for the file and that didn't help with allowing an edit. The file is from ScanSoft's OmniPage SE which I have installed.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    Here is one of the TIF files that I tried to add info to in WinXP SP3 via the Explorer properties SUMMARY tab:

    http://www.spacetelescope.org/images...l/opo0221a.tif

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    The advanced summary properties say that the file has been created with Adobe Photoshop CS - this is probably relevant, see Cannot modify properties of TIF file. The workaround suggested there of opening the tif file in another application and saving under another name worked for me with Irfanview, but not with Microsoft Paint or Microsoft Office Document Imaging. After saving the file from Irfanview I could edit and save the summary properties.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    There does not appear to be any problems in Vista. I downloaded your .tif to my desktop, opened its properties and was able to modify the comments field.

    It did not work in XP SP3, however. I got the same "access denied" message as you did.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    I decided to open the image in a few of the photo editing programs i have and see if I resaved it (still as a TIF file), could I get this to work.

    I tried Polyview, Paint.net, Gimp 2.6 and Photofiltre. The first 2 programs still created a TIF that failed when I tried to add a comment. However, the latter 2 worked fine! All were uncompressed TIF format.

    Seems like this problem might have something to do with the underlying TIF format as I understand there are a number of variations of that format. Windows Explorer can apparently only handle certain variations.

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    Re: Access denied - TIF file

    My main point with the other post was that it is possible to click on the metadata tag directly in simple Summary in Properties as well as in advanced view, if possible to edit that is. The Office part wasn't much of a serious attempt; but my hint at different "file types" was. As with other formats such as JPEG, I seem to recall that TIFF comes with different extensions to the format (such as TIFF/EP (Electronic Photography) which is an extension from TIFF and Exif specifications etc.).

    Hans, I found the page you linked to yesterday as well, and I think everyone has sometimes stumbled on a TIFF or similar that somehow isn't possible to open at all, that, however different from this metadata edit via the Windows explorer shell, may be a result of the program that created the file in combination with the program trying to open the file.

    I found a site (among several) with much info about the TIFF file format etc. Though no definitive answer on this question. But as you also mention, it seems to be a result of used software.

    http://www.awaresystems.be/imaging/tiff.html

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