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    Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    I followed the discussion on which one is the "better" one. Since I use ATI for some years now I do not see why I should switch to SPD(esktop). The bare metal option in SPD would be an advantage.
    But right now I have the following problem. The HD of my daughter's computer contains sector errors, and became unaccessible. I want to recover the usual information: music, photos and a lot of work files.
    I dare not reformat the disk, because then I lose everything. I tried to access the disk with Vista PE and Ultimate Boot, but none of these let me recover the files and folders directly. So I decided to try Steve Gibson's Spinrite in mode 2. After 2.5 weeks it had only done 25% of the HD (size 160GB) when there was a powercut.
    Now I try to make a backup with Acronis TI running from a CD. A backup of individual files and folders did not work, the program hanged. So I decide to backup the partion C:. Because the disk contains errors, TI recommends me to use the sector by sector approach. This approach disables the Source Files Exclusion option, meaning that system folders and files which are not of any interest to me get also backed up, thus prolonging the process. However the Total Progress shows after 3 hours still 39 days remaining.

    And now my real question concerning Shadow Protect Desktop.
    I am prepared to buy SPD, but how does it handle disk errors? Can it still make a backup of the folders and files in the good sectors? Can I then restore those folders and files to a new location? I tried SPD's forums and faqs but could not find an answer.
    Any other ideas?
    Please help.

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Morning Teunis,
    As far as I know, both products make images of 'good' drives. If you have sector errors, you only alternative is to run CHKDSK C: /F and will probably be prompted to reboot so the chkdsk can be performed. I know of no way to get information out of bad sectors <sigh>. Maybe someone else will chime in here with other possibilities?

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    For disks with bad sectors, Steve Gibson's Spinrite is the only thing I have ever used.
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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Over the years, including here in The Lounge, I've seen people talk about "vendors" who can often recover data from crashed or corrupt drives. I understand/think that it's expensive and I've never done so. I also don't know about those kinds of places in The Netherlands. You'll have to ask or look around some.

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Thanks Bob,
    Since I can't access the disk (C:/ doesn't show up) I cannot run ChkDsk. As a last try, I take the HD out of the computer and add it as a slave into another desktop PC, and then try ChkDsk and maybe some other utilities.

    Regards, Teunis

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Thanks Rick,

    As I explained I started with Spinrite but still some 720 hrs left for this 160GB disk. That is using option 2, option 4 would last 2 - 3 times as long. I guess that when Steve developed Spinrite, the disks weren't that large (uh, still small compared to the new HDs).

    Regards, Teunis

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Thanks Big Al,

    I thought about that too, although it is no cure - no pay, the prices are very high. In the order of USD 800 for a recovered 100 GB.

    Regards, Teunis

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Take a look here for some reviews of <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15> data recovery software. Some will recover deleted data, others will recover data from damaged drives or sectors. The first offering is from the makers of CCleaner and it's portable. If nothing there tweaks your fancy, take a look at this Google search for some other ideas. HTH <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Hi Doc,

    Thanks for yout inof. Right now I am still following the ATI track: I am now at 1 day and 8 hours remaining. Don't know if it will finish correctly and - the even bigger if - if I can extract the individual folders and files from the tib archive. I'll keep you posted.

    Regards, Teunis

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    The solution:

    Finally, after 2.5 day I had an Acronis TIB backup file on an external USB disk, by using sector-by-sector. Half-expected: it was impossible to extract folders or files from this one. Therefore I decided to restore the damaged partition using sector-by-sector (not only "sector errors" but also "corrupted disk structure") on the same external harddisk. This restored partition was not "readable" too (also to be expected).

    I tried a number of freeware file recovery packages on this restored partition as suggested by DocWatson, none of which worked with damaged disk structures. Finally I got hold of a borrowed copy of Ontrack's Easy Recovery, which worked on my son's XP PC. With this software I was finally able to recover the folders and files I was interested in without a hitch.

    Earlier on I tried to mount the damaged drive as a slave to this XP machine, which didn't work, because it hanged after continuously CHKDSKing during boot. But using the external USB disk holding the restored unreadable partition was no problem.

    I learned a lot. Not in the least that with Acronis TI it is possible to make a backup of a damaged disk using a sector-by-sector approach which you subsequently can try to repair after restoring, without touching or unmounting the original disk. Note that the Ontrack Easy Recovery Software did not work on a Vista HP machine.

    Regards, Teunis

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Thank you for sharing, that was very interesting.

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    Re: Acronis TIH or Shadow Protect D?

    Yes, the Product Sheet link at File Recovery Software - File Repair - Easy Recovery - Ontrack Data Recovery does not say it is compatible with Vista. Thanks for posting back.

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