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    Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    "He just dropped the leash and ran off on his bicycle,"

    http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/587968 ("Stolen dog reunited with owner")

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    After reading the article I was glad to hear that some one had the courage to approach a stranger whom was a possible and presumably dangerous dog-napper.

    From what I have heard, dog-napping is becoming a very common practice because of the black market of selling stolen pets to laboratories and those who are looking to purchase a pet for a lot less than they would really have to pay.

    I have a pet here and I have had a small device inserted, by a vet, just under his fur, so that in the invent he is lost or stolen his owner could be easily located. (Sort of something like a pet Dog Tag).

    Did not cost much to have it done and from what I saw was not in any way any problem to my pet.

    (Too bad we can’t have the same thing done with our kids up until they are eight-teen years of age)!

    Also after reading that article I was very glad that “Fleefus” (love that name) did not wind up on some one’s back yard grill!
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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Did not cost much to have it done and from what I saw was not in any way any problem to my pet.

    I liked the idea and had the same thing done for my pooch. However no one said anything about a yearly subscription for its use. I received an email recently advising me that if I wanted to keep this little gizmo's info in force, I'd have to ante up more money. I guess I'm cheap but no thanks.


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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Hi Skitterbug,

    We have had all four of our Labs microchipped starting in about 1979. Several years ago, the company that held our dog's records tried the annual-subscription-fee tactic. The government / vet association stepped in and as a result the grandfather rule was established for that organization. That is, for those that had their dogs microchipped before the change, they were protected and did not have to pay the annual fee.

    Subsequently, a new company emerged supported by the vets that has the single fee only - no annual subscription cost. needless to say, the other company has lost significant business.

    Another registration site is provided by the makers of the rabies vaccine. In our neck of the woods, rabie shots are administered every three years. The manufacturer of the vaccine provides a web site where the dog's rabie tag identification, microchip information, vet information and owner's contact information can be stored... at no cost to the owner. All Canadian vets, humane societies, shelters are aware of the site and if a lost dog (or cat) is found, the animal is checked for its rabie tag and is scanned for the microchip. Then they check the "getmehome" site for appropriate contact data.

    Perhaps your vet can inquire if a like facility is available to you.

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    >a small device inserted, by a vet, just under his fur, so that in the invent he is lost or stolen his owner could be easily located.
    Really? "easily located"?

    Jupiter has a micro-chip, but it needs to be scanned by a hand-held device.
    If Bill gets insanely jealous and cat-naps him, I'd have no way of finding him again. It isn't a GPS-like device.

    Of course, if he doesn't feed him, and he dies, and he tosses him in the garbage, the chip will be readable by some worker on the sorting line, and they may well wonder why he is tossing my cat into a dumpster.

    I've thought about this. When the lovable fur-shedding monster does pass away, I can either dispose of him via the vet across the street ($$$$) or toss him in a dumpster, but if I do the latter, and if the city gets offended, he is immediately traceable to me. Same deal if I bury him in a nearby park and someone gets curios and digs him up. No matter what I do, there's always this little chip hanging over my head.

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    >Then they check the "getmehome" site for appropriate contact data.
    We simul-posted!

    Yup, this is, I think, the good part of the scheme.
    I take a pet to the vet, they ask my name & address, and if it does NOT correspond to that on the tag, .....

    Interesting!
    Jupiter was given to me by a good friend five years ago, and she had to give her name and address to the (Toronto) animal shelter in order to take him home.
    When I took him to the vet 18 months ago, they didn't inquire, so presumably the vet across the street doesn't routinely scan for a chip.

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Hi Bob,

    Perhaps your vet can inquire if a like facility is available to you.

    I was going to ask the vet <during Max's check up in May> about why there would be a subscription required for this chip when I wasn't told there would be one before the insertion of it. I'll be very curious to see what he says it.

    Thanks for your information. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>


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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    I can either dispose of him via the vet across the street ($$$$) or toss him in a dumpster......

    I can't imagine tossing a pet in a dumpster, but I've never thought about how "city" people took care of their deceased pets! We live outside of the city limits and have a place to bury our animals so I guess we are very lucky for that luxury. Hopefully, Jupiter has a very very long life and you have a friend with a place in the countryside that you can bury him on once he does "return to space".


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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    >and you have a friend with a place in the countryside
    Skitters, you are absolutely right, and that would be my course of action, but I feel greatly for the people older than I with but a pet for a companion.
    When the pet dies and you old age pension budget can't cope with vet fees, what do you do?
    Worse if you are unable to dig and/or live in a 30-storey condo or apartment building.
    Jupiter is going to my friend Rick's place, at Mansfield, 60 minutes drive north of here, when the time comes, but it is many belicate-fur-nuzzles off yet!
    Jupiter will nourish a beautiful tree, which I will plant.

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    I should have provided you with the following before the last reply. Here goes...

    When Hayley was microchipped, the vet provided us with the form for 24PetWatch, free registration service. I just did a fast check of their site and it covers all of North America and states that registration is free. I believe they make $$$ selling other services as you can read about on their site.

    The important thing is that the basic service is provided free and available to vets, shelters etc., throughout N.A. They state that "...any brand of microchip can be registered - free of charge".

    So, why not dig out Max's microchip number and give it a whirl.

    Cheers, Bob
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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Here we have some organizations that know the importance for the elderly of having a pet for a companion.

    Some vets who are a part of these organizations will drastically reduce their fees or charge nothing to help the elderly keep their sometimes only companion as healthy as possible.

    Also disposal by cremation of the pet after its demise in done in many cases for no charge by these vets.

    A lot have realized such as my self, the importance of a pet for companionship to the elderly and number one on my list for any donation is the local center such as I have described.

    Also I have never been contacted for any other fee’s concerning the implant that my critter has.

    I have heard of another type of implant that not only lets the authorities know who the pet’s owners is but also it can track the pets location when lost or stolen. (You know, like those devices that are hooked up to those satellites, that you have mounted on your dashboard that tell you how lost you really are)!!!!

    I had one of those dashboard thingy's. Became too embarrassing! <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15>

    Has any one heard of this, or is it still just an idea on some ones drawing board. (Oops, sorry, gave away my age again…..C.A.D. screen).
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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    <I take a pet to the vet, they ask my name & address, and if it does NOT correspond to that on the tag, .....>

    Most services will allow the change of registered owner information. They might ask for confirmation from the previous owner. In fact some "previous" owners can start the process and complete the necessary forms online to transfer ownership to the new servants.

    <...so presumably the vet across the street doesn't routinely scan for a chip.>

    Vets will not normally scan for the presence of the microchip. When scanned, it only provides the number... no other information. The computerized database of the service provider has to be accessed by the vet quoting the number in order to get the owner information.

    It is always a good practice to ask the vet to scan for the microchip every few years. Doing so will at least confirm that the chip is still in place. When first injected, it is supposed to attach itself to tissue and become firmly fixed... like using velcro strips. However, sometimes it can shift. Perhaps on your next visit you can get the vet to scan for the number and use the 24PetWatch site I mentioned to Skitterbug.

    Cheers, Bob
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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Hi Bob,

    I almost missed the information you provided. For some reason, the thread didn't show any replies but I happened to check The View posts newer than: option at the top of our Lounge and I found your new post! Thanks! I'll check 24PetWatch out! <img src=/S/joy.gif border=0 alt=joy width=23 height=23>


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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Speaking of vet' costs, some guy called ChrisG <img src=/S/groan.gif border=0 alt=groan width=16 height=15> snagged the first (oldest) comment here: http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/589078#Comments, and I quote:


    "Vet bills are so high, it's a deterrent," says Cox, True, but there again ... cats are mammals, and when the vet demands one make a return $150 visit just to refill an eye-prescription, it makes sense to enter the ** Possible SPAM post - please alert a Moderator (2)** next door and get an off-the-shelf medication for $10."

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    Re: Clever Torontonians #3 in a series of 2,500,000

    Don't know all the details behind your cat's eye problem(s) but I would suggest that the fee includes consultation to ensure that continuation of the meds are required. If you just walked in the vet's door and picked up the meds for $150 then I would agree that it is a bit expensive.

    Vets costs can include consultation, administering medication and dispensing fees which can drive up the costs.

    For example... last year when Hayley was a pup, she had four series of shots covering Rabies (1 shot), DHPP (1 shot) and Leptospira (2 shots), all given on separate dates. Had to be separate dates because of her age. Total cost before taxes and "senior-citizen" discounts = $209.50 for the four visits. A few weeks ago I had Hayley in for her annual shots and three of the above were administered on the same visit. Total cost = $123. Thus administering the shots was basically the difference between the two, or $86. I have no complaint about the costs since I know the vet can be relied on to take good care of our animal family members. Just as I rely on my G.P. to cater to my whims and wounds. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Now, if there was some way I could register Hayley for O.H.I.P. services I would be all set. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    BTW, I do have pet insurance coverage for Hayley... but that can be a plus or minus depending on the animal's health.

    Cheers, Bob

    P.S. Regarding that article in the Toronto Star. My vet has confirmed that his business has dropped a bit. Mostly from clients who always grumbled about costs concerning their pet's health. They would be the ones who are ignoring the animal's health needs and are turning over thier pets to the humane society or letting them loose on the streets. He knows this because he has had calls from the humane society about abandoned pets that used to be cared for by his clinic.
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