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    Re: New Laptop?

    Your link is bad...

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    Re: New Laptop?

    64 bits = more than 4 gigs of ram
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    New Laptop?

    My daughter's looking into getting a laptop. I saw this ad today Gateway Laptop

    Not that I am or amn't thinking it's a good idea, but it brought up a question:

    Does "Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium with SP1 64-bit" mean that this is a 64-bit box? And if so, is that such a Greta idea? Can they run 32-bit software?

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    Re: New Laptop?

    Al/Doc:

    Sorry about the link...should work now.

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    Re: New Laptop?

    From the Wikipedia page....

    "On July 30, 2008, Microsoft indicated that Vista appears to be causing a shift in the PC industry from 32-bit to 64-bit. The installed base of 64-bit editions of Windows Vista, as a percentage of all Windows Vista systems, had more than tripled in the United States in the previous three months, while worldwide adoption had more than doubled during the same period. Another view showed that 20% of new Windows Vista PCs in the United States connecting to Windows Update in June were 64-bit PCs, up from 3% in March. Microsoft stated that the falling price of RAM and increased use of multitasking are benefits from SuperFetch, which accelerates performance with the installation of more RAM allowed 64-bit editions of Windows Vista."
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    Re: New Laptop?

    Doc,

    I certainly have reason to cop to a plea of half-mindedness, so I don't feel too badly asking what or how that answered my question?

    I know people are trying out 64-bit machines. but will / does that mean they'll need all new software, or would the 32-bit software run (at all)?

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    Re: New Laptop?

    Again, from Wikipedia.....

    "A change from a 32-bit to a 64-bit architecture is a fundamental alteration, as most operating systems must be extensively modified to take advantage of the new architecture. Other software must also be ported to use the new capabilities; older software is usually supported through either a hardware compatibility mode (in which the new processors support the older 32-bit version of the instruction set as well as the 64-bit version), through software emulation, or by the actual implementation of a 32-bit processor core within the 64-bit processor (as with the Itanium processors from Intel, which include an x86 processor core to run 32-bit x86 applications). The operating systems for those 64-bit architectures generally support both 32-bit and 64-bit applications."
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    Re: New Laptop?

    Doc:

    So then if I ask if the computer has "a 32-bit processor core within the 64-bit processor (as with the Itanium processors from Intel, which include an x86 processor core to run 32-bit x86 applications)" it should work fine, yes?

    I've "heard" that much of the software today isn't ready to really take advantage of 64-bit processing. Is that just a quaint way of saying that it won't work -- unless as noted the machine is itself able to run 32-bit apps?

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    Re: New Laptop?

    I think the key words here are "should work" and "take advantage of". When 64 bit processors first came out there was much confusion about older applications working with the new hardware and many did not. Those concerns have been, for the most part, addressed with some hardware and software adjustments to accomodate theses x86 legacy apps and those written for 32 bit architecture. They will not be able to take advantage of all the processing power that 64 bit makes available to applications written for that architecture, but they "should" be compatable and run as originally intended on a 64 bit system.

    As always, YMMV and you should research any new software to be sure it is compatable and check the webpages of any of your older software to see about it's compatability. You should also check the specs on the computer to see what it is capable of running.
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    Re: New Laptop?

    I think the biggest problem that is going to happen, is with hardware. There is a LOT of hardware out there that does NOT have 64 bit drivers and NEVER will.

    My daughter pick up a Dell desktop with 64 bit Vista and all of her "Quilting" software word NOT work. Then vendor said that on the older versions (Windows 98 and before) would NOT even run under the compatibility mode.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: New Laptop?

    Al/Doc/Dave:

    I think that the message I'm getting is to hold off on 64-bit for now...especially because she uses nothing that will benefit from it.

    Gee, maybe this means I'll find an even better deal! <img src=/S/bananas.gif border=0 alt=bananas width=33 height=35>

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    Re: New Laptop?

    While I agree with the sentiment "especially because she uses nothing that will benefit from it.", I don't think that what she uses now should be the primary consideration. I really think that your daughter's age and plans for the computer (work or play, games or applications, etc) should be the things that sway the decision.

    Dave brings up a good point, but if you are talking about a new laptop then what other hardware would there be driver issues with ??? And as far as legacy software not running, I think everything has a shelf life. Especially in the world of computers today.
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    Re: New Laptop?

    Doc, I agree.

    I think what I was and am wondering and trying to anticipate is not buying into a lot of [especially driver] conflict issues. She doesn't "game"; she does use her computer to write musical scorers, so the older software issue could pop up. She does own Office Ultimate [32-bit] and I'm pretty sure she's not too anxious to replace that;

    Hardware I don't see as too much of an issue, for anything she might need would be of the "new variety", so that should be self-resolved.

    I guess also, as price is always a consideration, if they're pushing 64-bit, and you're not going to need it any time soon, the prices might be a lot more competitive if you were to shop 32-bit, wouldn't they?

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    Re: New Laptop?

    Given the current state of the economy and my own personal situation, I haven't been and won't be shopping for a new PC anytime soon so the only sensible response from me on that would be ... Go Shopping. One thing is certain. You'll get a better price on almost everything these days.
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    Re: New Laptop?

    Doc, I certainly won't be shopping right now either...my daughter's not too in the mood as well, but her laptop died...so...

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