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    Hi friends. My computer has suddenly become very slow to boot up- up to 5 minutes before I can open anything- from the attachment can you please tell me which progs are a must, which ones can be made inactive and how to deactivate them. Many thanks Dave.[attachment=84085:Progs_Running.jpg]
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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778157' date='03-Jun-2009 13:33']Hi friends. My computer has suddenly become very slow to boot up- up to 5 minutes before I can open anything- from the attachment can you please tell me which progs are a must, which ones can be made inactive and how to deactivate them. Many thanks Dave.[/quote]
    Is your attachment showing what is running immediately after you have booted up, without starting any programs?
    (If not, it is not very helpful!)

    I can't for the life of me think why PhotoEditor and Word (for example) should start on boot up....

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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778157' date='03-Jun-2009 08:33']Hi friends. My computer has suddenly become very slow to boot up[/quote]
    I agree with Leif, so if you're going to shoot another screenshot right after bootup, you could make it a bit easier to read if you saved the file as a .PNG instead of a .JPG...

    I see a number of things like Tea Timer, iTunesHelper and others that could be lived without, but the preference is yours. If you get a copy of WhatInStartup you can see that it's pretty easy to disable any or ALL to see where the slowdown is coming from.

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    [quote name='Bigaldoc' post='778160' date='03-Jun-2009 14:12']I agree with Leif, so if you're going to shoot another screenshot right after bootup, you could make it a bit easier to read if you saved the file as a .PNG instead of a .JPG...

    I see a number of things like Tea Timer, iTunesHelper and others that could be lived without, but the preference is yours. If you get a copy of WhatInStartup you can see that it's pretty easy to disable any or ALL to see where the slowdown is coming from.[/quote]

    Thank you genetlemen. I shall take a screen shot immediately after the next switch on, save it as a .PNG file & post it so the two can be compared. Thanks for the "WhatInStartup" link Al, I will see what I can gleen from it. As ever, regards Dave.
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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778177' date='03-Jun-2009 14:38']Thank you gentlemen. I shall take a screen shot immediately after the next switch on, save it as a .PNG file & post it so the two can be compared. Thanks for the "WhatInStartup" link Al, I will see what I can gleen from it. As ever, regards Dave.[/quote]


    Hi again....so here is the latest screen-shot showing programes that are runnning at start up, what in your opinion are the essential ones that must be running to ensure the m/c functions adequately please? Thank you Dave.
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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778157' date='03-Jun-2009 14:33']Hi friends. My computer has suddenly become very slow to boot up- up to 5 minutes before I can open anything- from the attachment can you please tell me which progs are a must, which ones can be made inactive and how to deactivate them.[/quote]
    Have we not recently gone through all this, in General Windows Solutions? Post 740012

    You have asked about slow start up before, been told about AutoRuns in that case (more or less similar function as WhatInStartup), and about some of the software that were present at that time.

    What did you learn from that thread?

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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778220' date='03-Jun-2009 15:01']Hi again....so here is the latest screen-shot showing programes that are runnning at start up ...[/quote]
    The reason I suggested WhatInStartup is for its simplicity! The Task Manager, MSCONFIG and Autoruns, despite everyone's love for them, show too much for folks like you and me. As was pointed out in the thread Argus mentioned, the SVCHOST stuff (and others) are not to be monkeyed with but WhatInStartup will make a nice screenshot for us to look at. Not only that, it shows file name, path AND company name that sometimes helps.

    Just a partial view of mine:

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    [quote name='Bigaldoc' post='778254' date='03-Jun-2009 22:57']The reason I suggested WhatInStartup is for its simplicity! The Task Manager, MSCONFIG and Autoruns, despite everyone's love for them, show too much for folks like you and me. As was pointed out in the thread Argus mentioned, the SVCHOST stuff (and others) are not to be monkeyed with but WhatInStartup will make a nice screenshot for us to look at. Not only that, it shows file name, path AND company name that sometimes helps.[/quote]
    Al,
    I see no problem with WhatInStartup (introduced recently in the Lounge). I just wanted the OP and everyone else to remember that it has been discussed quite recently, and the OP most likely has AutoRuns left.

    I know you know this Al, but msconfig (or the System Configuration Utility) is more or less only a trouble-shooter. It's not like you use it to disable a start up program and have it like that for years. I see it mentioned every now and then on the net; but if you disable something on the autostart tab you automatically get selective start up on the General tab. Do people run like this?

    Another thing that differ msconfig from WhatInStartup and AutoRuns is that you can't delete an entry with msconfig. But in my opinion that is not much of a problem; if you want to delete something in the start up, you might as well uninstall the program.

    As to AutoRuns; yes it is probably much more detailed and complex than WhatInStartup if one wants that. We all know that one wrong click in the wrong tab in AutoRuns and ooops, time for the Recovery Console since the PC will not boot. However, as mentioned in the other thread about AutoRuns and elsewhere in the Lounge I think; you can hide Windows entries from the Logon tab, as shown in my screen shot. AutoRuns obviously also shows the path, publisher etc. One can also move one step further and hide all "Microsoft and Windows entries", thus only showing third-party software. In that case the last one with a red line will be hidden; it is "Windows Search" not part of Windows but a Microsoft product.
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    [quote name='Argus' post='778264' date='03-Jun-2009 17:57']...<snip>...As to AutoRuns; yes it is probably much more detailed and complex than WhatInStartup if one wants that.[/quote]
    Yeah, I think we're "on the same page" Argus! As I pointed out in Post 771104 when WhatInStartup was first recommended, it compares line for line with the LOGON tab in Autoruns.

    The only thing that worries me about Autoruns, as you've pointed out, one wrong click and a novice user could wreck his system. Anyway, my only point to the OP (Dave) is that the Task Manager is awfully difficult to examine for potential disabling, it has so much in it that is "system dependent."

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    [quote name='Argus' post='778264' date='03-Jun-2009 21:57']Al,
    I see no problem with WhatInStartup (introduced recently in the Lounge). I just wanted the OP and everyone else to remember that it has been discussed quite recently, and the OP most likely has AutoRuns left.

    I know you know this Al, but msconfig (or the System Configuration Utility) is more or less only a trouble-shooter. It's not like you use it to disable a start up program and have it like that for years. I see it mentioned every now and then on the net; but if you disable something on the autostart tab you automatically get selective start up on the General tab. Do people run like this?

    Another thing that differ msconfig from WhatInStartup and AutoRuns is that you can't delete an entry with msconfig. But in my opinion that is not much of a problem; if you want to delete something in the start up, you might as well uninstall the program.

    As to AutoRuns; yes it is probably much more detailed and complex than WhatInStartup if one wants that. We all know that one wrong click in the wrong tab in AutoRuns and ooops, time for the Recovery Console since the PC will not boot. However, as mentioned in the other thread about AutoRuns and elsewhere in the Lounge I think; you can hide Windows entries from the Logon tab, as shown in my screen shot. AutoRuns obviously also shows the path, publisher etc. One can also move one step further and hide all "Microsoft and Windows entries", thus only showing third-party software. In that case the last one with a red line will be hidden; it is "Windows Search" not part of Windows but a Microsoft product.
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    Hi all. I must appologize sincerely for raking up this subject, the question was asked; "What did I learn from the post I submitted Oct 08" well as the saying goes, in 8 + months a lot of water goes under the bridge and the same [unfortunately] must be said for the info that leaks out of my memory bank. I clicked on the said link and read posts that I can't remember having read before but will return to it again & read it at length. Yes, my computer IS -like me- rather old and decrepid so I shall just have to prune the progs to an absolute minimum and consider consigning it to the recycling yard. Thanks for jogging my memory anyway gents, regards Dave.
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    [quote name='Bigaldoc' post='778292' date='04-Jun-2009 01:39'][snip]
    Anyway, my only point to the OP (Dave) is that the Task Manager is awfully difficult to examine for potential disabling, it has so much in it that is "system dependent."[/quote]
    Al,
    I agree 100% about Task Manager, missed that. It is not so good IMO, since it A: is difficult to see the whole picture (path, publisher etc) as you said, and B: it is only a snapshot at the time. We can have programs running at start up, slowing it down, but later on that program stops running. For example some sort of update mechanism or some sort of search indexing. Then later on it will not show up in the TM. So, I agree with you that WhatInStartup seems to be a good and easy choice (Iíve not tested it myself).

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    [quote name='Silver Fox' post='778297' date='04-Jun-2009 02:12'][snip]... I shall just have to prune the progs to an absolute minimum and consider consigning it to the recycling yard. [snip][/quote]
    Dave,
    If the hardware is the same as in the other thread, it is fine for running Windows XP; 700+ MB RAM, a 1.5 GHz processor even if a bit slow (due to cache etc.) and a large hard drive. It is a matter of what is installed and running.

    Looking at running programs, or start up programs with the help of software such as those mentioned in this thread, to find culprits for a slow start is just one way to get more information.

    Personally, I see it mostly as a second step; when the software that I want to keep installed doesn't have any possibilities to disable certain features that run at log on time.

    The first step is to look at what software there is on the PC. True, in this first step an "auto run" program can help identifying which programs run at start. But I think that is something one should know already, after the installation. That is, every time software is installed one should have checked its settings and what is happening with the start up.

    Do I need another program to play MP3 files? Yes. OK, if so, is it necessary that that program runs at log on time?

    These are questions one has to ask oneself every time one is going to install something or are looking for another program.

    Without that first step, knowing the software installed, moving directly to the auto run programs and starting to disable or deleting entries could be a mistake and unnecessary work. Depending on the situation, uninstalling some software or changing it for another could be better.

    As an example on the questions that I mentioned above: I have found that I do not need dedicated software and drivers for my keyboard and mouse from Microsoft and Logitech. True, I will miss out on some small features. But all extra keys on the keyboard (Back/Forward, Mail, Search, Calculator etc.) work and I can customise them in XP with Tweak UI. As for the mouse, all 5 buttons work and I still have the basic settings in the OS. So, I donít have keyboard and mouse software running all the time.

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    [quote name='Argus' post='778316' date='04-Jun-2009 07:29']Dave,
    If the hardware is the same as in the other thread, it is fine for running Windows XP; 700+ MB RAM, a 1.5 GHz processor even if a bit slow (due to cache etc.) and a large hard drive. It is a matter of what is installed and running.

    Looking at running programs, or start up programs with the help of software such as those mentioned in this thread, to find culprits for a slow start is just one way to get more information.

    Personally, I see it mostly as a second step; when the software that I want to keep installed doesn't have any possibilities to disable certain features that run at log on time.

    The first step is to look at what software there is on the PC. True, in this first step an "auto run" program can help identifying which programs run at start. But I think that is something one should know already, after the installation. That is, every time software is installed one should have checked its settings and what is happening with the start up.

    Do I need another program to play MP3 files? Yes. OK, if so, is it necessary that that program runs at log on time?

    These are questions one has to ask oneself every time one is going to install something or are looking for another program.

    Without that first step, knowing the software installed, moving directly to the auto run programs and starting to disable or deleting entries could be a mistake and unnecessary work. Depending on the situation, uninstalling some software or changing it for another could be better.

    As an example on the questions that I mentioned above: I have found that I do not need dedicated software and drivers for my keyboard and mouse from Microsoft and Logitech. True, I will miss out on some small features. But all extra keys on the keyboard (Back/Forward, Mail, Search, Calculator etc.) work and I can customise them in XP with Tweak UI. As for the mouse, all 5 buttons work and I still have the basic settings in the OS. So, I donít have keyboard and mouse software running all the time.[/quote]


    To draw this thread to a conlusion I must express my appreciation for all the comments regardless of the tone, I take them on the chin in light of having read the comments in the "MSKB article 555375." For dummies like me it is not always easy to know where to look on a forum or what key words to search for. In light of what is expressed in the said article I can understand that countless questions will have been asked & answered before which regular visitors or wmvp's will remember. In such cases a simple one liner pointing to the post / thread is the answer rather than lengthy explanations needing to be posted again. As I read some of the technical details expressed in this thread a fitting quotation from the lips of the Old Testament King David came to my mind. He wrote it after meditating at length on the Omniscience; Omnipotence, Immutability & Omnipresence of his God :- (Quote) Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Ps.139:6. That (in measure) sums up my position when reading some of your answers, much the same as a Frenchman giving simple instructions to a lost motorist who does not understand a single word of French. Anyway! learning never-the-less, even if very slow. Thank you all again Dave.
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    [quote name='Bigaldoc' post='778292' date='03-Jun-2009 23:39']Yeah, I think we're "on the same page" Argus! As I pointed out in Post 771104 when WhatInStartup was first recommended, it compares line for line with the LOGON tab in Autoruns.

    The only thing that worries me about Autoruns, as you've pointed out, one wrong click and a novice user could wreck his system. Anyway, my only point to the OP (Dave) is that the Task Manager is awfully difficult to examine for potential disabling, it has so much in it that is "system dependent."[/quote]

    Hi Al...... Sorry I do not know how to apply an attachment to the last PM you sent so as I am acquainted with how to do it via this medium I will so do. [attachment=84116:HTML_file.htm] Regards Dave.
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