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    Hello all,
    I am shopping around for a new laptop and I have decided to go with Dell. I was disappointed to find that most of the choices involve getting Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I have Vista Home Premium 32-bit and like it, but I have heard of problems with 64 bit such as program incompatablility, instability, and problems with updates etc. I am a middle range user who knows what is inside my computer and basically how it works, but doesn't generally 'tweak' it too much. I'd like to have 2 machines with the same OS (just once and have just got used to the Vista program.
    Is Vista 64 as much of a pain as I've heard?

    Also, if I do go with 64 bit, how much memory is recommended? I have 4Gigs on my 32 bit machine and it likes it fine.. but what's on offer at Dell, 4 Gigs seems to be minimum for 64 bit.
    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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    [quote name='Peppurr101' post='785287' date='19-Jul-2009 11:18']I was disappointed to find that most of the choices involve getting Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I have Vista Home Premium 32-bit and like it, but I have heard of problems with 64 bit such as program incompatablility, instability, and problems with updates etc. I am a middle range user who knows what is inside my computer and basically how it works, but doesn't generally 'tweak' it too much. Is Vista 64 as much of a pain as I've heard?

    Also, if I do go with 64 bit, how much memory is recommended? I have 4Gigs on my 32 bit machine and it likes it fine.. but what's on offer at Dell, 4 Gigs seems to be minimum for 64 bit.[/quote]

    Almost all 32-bit programs should run just fine on 64-bit Vista. The main issue that I've read about is finding drivers for peripherals. If you get new peripherals with the new system you should be just fine. I don't think Dell would let you order something with the system that would be incompatible. I've also read good things about the general stability compared to 32-bit Vista and older OSes.

    4GB of RAM should be just fine. You can always add more if you need it and the 64-bit OS will recognize it.

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    I just got a refurbished dell studio 1537 with vista 64 and 4gb of ram, I too was a bit skeptical about getting vista 64 but in hind sight im glad I did. It seams a lot more stable then vista 32 and I have had no (knock on wood) problems with hardware or software compatibility, 4gb of ram is suffice too but like they say get the most ram that you can afford

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    Welcome to Woody's Lounge Denny.
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='785494' date='20-Jul-2009 20:08']Welcome to Woody's Lounge Denny. [/quote]

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    Here is an additional wrinkle we might all like to have an informed opinion on.

    Windows 7 is fast approaching, and it requires less memory to accomplish what Vista (32 or 64) does. I have the RC running on 1.5 GB of RAM, and it appears to be performing very well indeed. There remains the problem of drivers for peripherals, but if Windows 7 takes the world by storm, the availability of those may leapfrog those for Vista 64 to the extent that there is any difference.

    There is nothing wrong with Vista 64 - I have it on one computer and am pleased with it, but when Windows 7 comes out I expect most of us will switch to that. Incidentally, all computers purchased since (I think) about the end of June will have a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it comes out, although OEM users are at the mercy of their brand's conditions (shipping cost or that sort of thing). Be sure to check on that (I hope reliable) information when you make a purchase.

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    [quote name='peterg' post='785511' date='21-Jul-2009 01:03']Here is an additional wrinkle we might all like to have an informed opinion on.

    Windows 7 is fast approaching, and it requires less memory to accomplish what Vista (32 or 64) does. I have the RC running on 1.5 GB of RAM, and it appears to be performing very well indeed. There remains the problem of drivers for peripherals, but if Windows 7 takes the world by storm, the availability of those may leapfrog those for Vista 64 to the extent that there is any difference.

    There is nothing wrong with Vista 64 - I have it on one computer and am pleased with it, but when Windows 7 comes out I expect most of us will switch to that. Incidentally, all computers purchased since (I think) about the end of June will have a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it comes out, although OEM users are at the mercy of their brand's conditions (shipping cost or that sort of thing). Be sure to check on that (I hope reliable) information when you make a purchase.[/quote]

    Drivers that work with 32-bit Vista should work with 32-bit Win7. Drivers that work with 64-bit Vista should work with Win7. There are some that are being tweaked for Win7 (most likely video and HD). If you are hoping that OEMs are going to revisit old peripherals to make Win7 drivers don't hold your breath. If a peripheral does not have a Vista driver by now it is highly unlikely to get a Win7 driver.

    All of the same issues with driver and program compatibility exist when you run everything in native Win7. If you have Win7 Pro or Ultimate you have access to "XP mode" which is running XP in a virtual machine that acts like any other Win7 application. See the following links for more information about XP mode requirements and capabilities: Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC Beta, Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows XP Mode for Windows 7 Preview, Windows XP Mode Internals Part 1 (Overview) - Within Windows.

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='785557' date='21-Jul-2009 09:11']Drivers that work with 32-bit Vista should work with 32-bit Win7. Drivers that work with 64-bit Vista should work with Win7. There are some that are being tweaked for Win7 (most likely video and HD). If you are hoping that OEMs are going to revisit old peripherals to make Win7 drivers don't hold your breath. If a peripheral does not have a Vista driver by now it is highly unlikely to get a Win7 driver.

    All of the same issues with driver and program compatibility exist when you run everything in native Win7. If you have Win7 Pro or Ultimate you have access to "XP mode" which is running XP in a virtual machine that acts like any other Win7 application. See the following links for more information about XP mode requirements and capabilities: Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC Beta, Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows XP Mode for Windows 7 Preview, Windows XP Mode Internals Part 1 (Overview) - Within Windows.

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    If you connect an HP printer, or presumably other HP peripheral, to a machine running Windows 7 and it doesn't already have a driver, then you get a message that they are working on preparing a driver. (My Deskjet 1020, of which there are plenty around, fell into this category.) I think HP are taking their most recent products and working backward from there. Please do not forget the compatibility nightmares of both Vista and XP when they first came out. I suspect Microsoft is doing its best to avoid a repetition this time.

    Swing and sway with plug and play: my old (first version) Wacom Graphire tablet plugged in and worked right off the bat. Windows already has its own drivers for a vast range of peripherals.

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    [quote name='peterg' post='785587' date='21-Jul-2009 10:01']If you connect an HP printer, or presumably other HP peripheral, to a machine running Windows 7 and it doesn't already have a driver, then you get a message that they are working on preparing a driver. (My Deskjet 1020, of which there are plenty around, fell into this category.) I think HP are taking their most recent products and working backward from there. Please do not forget the compatibility nightmares of both Vista and XP when they first came out. I suspect Microsoft is doing its best to avoid a repetition this time.

    Swing and sway with plug and play: my old (first version) Wacom Graphire tablet plugged in and worked right off the bat. Windows already has its own drivers for a vast range of peripherals.[/quote]

    Yes, Windows of all flavors has a very large number of drivers. Most of these drivers are the very basics needed to run the device not to exploit it to its full capabilities. Did you try to install the Vista driver for the printer?

    Microsoft bears a portion of the blame for the incompatability issues with Vista when it was released. IMO, the main culprits are the OEMs. They are responsible for producing the drivers not Microsoft. Even with the re-start of Vista Microsoft locked down the driver architecture so that the OEMs had plenty of time to produce drivers for Vista. IF your HP printer has a Vista driver that should work with Win7. If a Vista driver does not exist then you are probably out of luck for Win7. Vista RTM'd in November 2006 - Windows Vista Released to Manufacturing. OEMs are not going to go back to hardware even older than that to produce drivers for Win7.

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='785599' date='21-Jul-2009 17:21']Yes, Windows of all flavors has a very large number of drivers. Most of these drivers are the very basics needed to run the device not to exploit it to its full capabilities. Did you try to install the Vista driver for the printer?

    Microsoft bears a portion of the blame for the incompatability issues with Vista when it was released. IMO, the main culprits are the OEMs. They are responsible for producing the drivers not Microsoft. Even with the re-start of Vista Microsoft locked down the driver architecture so that the OEMs had plenty of time to produce drivers for Vista. IF your HP printer has a Vista driver that should work with Win7. If a Vista driver does not exist then you are probably out of luck for Win7. Vista RTM'd in November 2006 - Windows Vista Released to Manufacturing. OEMs are not going to go back to hardware even older than that to produce drivers for Win7.

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    Hello all,
    Thanks for your input. From this and other sources, it sounds as if 64bit is sound and if Dell is offering a 'no payments til Aug 2010' option on them, I'll take it.
    I just won't buy a HP system

    Now, which Dell laptop to buy??

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    [quote name='Peppurr101' post='785707' date='22-Jul-2009 04:01']Now, which Dell laptop to buy??[/quote]

    They certainly have enough selections to fit any budget.

    Good luck with that decision.

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