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    According to Microsoft..... http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/147203
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792513' date='08-Sep-2009 07:57']According to Microsoft..... http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/147203[/quote]

    Does this surprise you?

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='792519' date='08-Sep-2009 09:24']Does this surprise you?

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    Only because MS is discontinuing support for the product on Sept. 9, 2009 according to media reports.
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792525' date='08-Sep-2009 08:53']Only because MS is discontinuing support for the product on Sept. 9, 2009 according to media reports. [/quote]

    See Microsoft Support Lifecycle for XP support details. XP extended support goes until 4/8/2014 for all XP versions.

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='792532' date='08-Sep-2009 10:36']See Microsoft Support Lifecycle for XP support details. XP extended support goes until 4/8/2014 for all XP versions.

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    IMHO... why bother ?? The "extended support" doesn't impress me much as something one might find actually useful.

    Guess I just don't like the MS business model Joe.
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792559' date='08-Sep-2009 13:03']IMHO... why bother ?? The "extended support" doesn't impress me much as something one might find actually useful.

    Guess I just don't like the MS business model Joe.[/quote]

    You mean like supplying security fixes for a product that is almost eight years old?

    How would you suggest that they change their model?

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='792568' date='08-Sep-2009 15:01']You mean like supplying security fixes for a product that is almost eight years old?

    How would you suggest that they change their model?

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    How about not selling a product that still needs to be patched and fixed 8 years later because it wasn't properly thought out before it was foisted on the public for instance ?? Not everyone wants or needs to be on the cutting edge of technology to do what they need to do with a computer. But, if you don't want to be left behind with products that no longer work or are not compatible with new technology you are forced to upgrade to technology you neither want or need and then learn how to use once familiar programs and even operating systems all over again. I, for one, am glad I avoided Vista personally. I read Woody's books and learned a little about it so I could address issues here in the Lounge and for clients.

    Different strokes for different folks. Why don't we agree that we disagree and let this go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWatson' post='792594 View Post
    How would you suggest that they change their model?
    How about not selling a product that still needs to be patched and fixed 8 years later because it wasn't properly thought out before it was foisted on the public for instance ??
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    It would be wonderful if companies released only bulletproof products that couldn't be exploited, but I think it is very unrealistic to expect such a wish to be fulfilled for a broad, general purpose tool such as Internet Explorer. From the safety perspective, the web should have been better isolated from the local system long ago; more recent versions of IE and Windows have moved in that direction. And yet, we can be sure vulnerabilities will continue to be discovered. Failing to foresee the amazing ingenuity of hackers and criminals has been an industry-wide problem since time immemorial.

    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792594' date='08-Sep-2009 14:13']Different strokes for different folks. Why don't we agree that we disagree and let this go. [/quote]
    I have a lot of sympathy for companies that feel they must continue to use IE6 because a critical line-of-business application doesn't work with IE7. I also have a lot of sympathy for web developers who are tearing their hair out trying to support the latest and greatest web technologies on several different generations of browsers because people will not stop using IE6. It's a lousy situation all around, but being bitter toward Microsoft or bitter toward obstinate users does not contribute to a solution.

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    I wasn't trying to offer a solution. I suppose, I'm part of the problem, since I still use IE6. I just pointed out another piece of conflicting information about the life of MS products. Joe's link was for XP, which, of course, includes IE6 since it was part of the original OS. There was another post, not too long ago mentioning that MS was going to discontinue suport for IE6 on Sept. 9th. That's today. So which is it ???

    As I said, why don't we agree to disagree.
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792675' date='09-Sep-2009 08:39']So which is it ???[/quote]
    Who knows?
    I think my question is, what is the difference between "mainstream" and "extended" support?
    Is extended support an extra fee paid service? Mainstream, the plain old everyday "schlock" support?
    ( you may have to be from the NY metro area to understand the term schlock! )
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    [quote name='viking33' post='792701' date='09-Sep-2009 11:50']Who knows?
    I think my question is, what is the difference between "mainstream" and "extended" support?
    Is extended support an extra fee paid service? Mainstream, the plain old everyday "schlock" support?[/quote]

    See Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ.

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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792745' date='09-Sep-2009 17:54']Or see Lifecycle Supported Service Packs.[/quote]

    Taken with my link about XP support it is pretty clear about the support dates - none of which are 9/9/2009.

    I really don't care much what the "media" reports especially these days when the emphasis seems to be on who can publish first not who can publish the truth first. Granted Microsoft is not always clear and has extended the support dates on XP more than once. But, Microsoft are the ones who set the dates.

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    [quote name='joeperez' post='792792' date='10-Sep-2009 09:08']Taken with my link about XP support it is pretty clear about the support dates - none of which are 9/9/2009.

    I really don't care much what the "media" reports especially these days when the emphasis seems to be on who can publish first not who can publish the truth first. Granted Microsoft is not always clear and has extended the support dates on XP more than once. But, Microsoft are the ones who set the dates.

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    From here.....

    "Regardless of what you think about IE6, Microsoft is right: it's not up to the company to kill IE6. It's up to the Web as a whole and its citizens to persuade IE6 users to make the transition to a new version, or to a third-party browser. That is already happening, though many would say progress isn't as quick as it could be."
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    [quote name='DocWatson' post='792809' date='10-Sep-2009 09:22']From here.....

    "Regardless of what you think about IE6, Microsoft is right: it's not up to the company to kill IE6. It's up to the Web as a whole and its citizens to persuade IE6 users to make the transition to a new version, or to a third-party browser. That is already happening, though many would say progress isn't as quick as it could be."[/quote]

    I'm not sure what this is relation to support dates. Microsoft and every other vendor does get to set support dates. Setting a support termination date does not mean that the software will stop functioning.

    If it means you have the choice of using IE6 or not I completely agree. You can use IE6 as long you want regardless of whether Microsoft supports it or not.

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