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    I am contemplating buying a notebook, not having worked with wireless systems, I am looking for a short tutorial on what to do first.
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    This depends on what other networking components you already have.

    What other computers do you have at home?
    Do you have an existing wireles network?
    Do you have an existing wired network?
    What kind of Internet connection do you have?

    Tell us a bit about what networking devices you already have and how they are connected together, and we will try to offer some advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    This depends on what other networking components you already have.

    What other computers do you have at home?
    A desktop
    Do you have an existing wireles network?
    Not having had any wireless experience no
    Do you have an existing wired network?
    No
    What kind of Internet connection do you have?
    Wired

    Tell us a bit about what networking devices you already have and how they are connected together, and we will try to offer some advice.
    None except for a Netgear Router
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    What model router is your netgear?
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    Well, you *do* have the ability to set up a wireless network. If you haven't done any of the wireless configuration, you might just be providing free wireless to anyone in the immediate vicinity of your home. Use these steps to configure your wireless security. When you purchase your devices (I don't know if any manufacturer makes a laptop without a wireless card built in nowadays), you ought to be able to use a wireless connection wizard to connect your notebook to the router. It will be easier to help you with those steps once you make your purchase decisions. The BLUF (bottom line up front) is that every situation is different, and until you have your devices (or a good idea of what your purchases will include), any recommendations are just informational, and not for action. Hope this helps!
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    I strongly recommend that when you configure your router you select WPA-PSK security, the alternative is WEP and this is so easy to hack that you might as well not bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I strongly recommend that when you configure your router you select WPA-PSK security, the alternative is WEP and this is so easy to hack that you might as well not bother.
    Which one?
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    I'm a firm believer that locks and keys only keep "honest people honest". Personally, I don't like some of the issues that arise with WPA-PSK, so I use a combination of WEP, MAC filtering, and I do not broadcast my SSID. Right now, because you don't have a notebook, I'd just shut off the wireless. After you buy your notebook, you can figure out what will work best for you.
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    " I don't like some of the issues that arise with WPA-PSK"

    What "issues" in particular have been problematic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roderunner View Post
    Which one?
    Your only sensible options are
    • WPA2-PSK - if your laptop supports this, which it probably will
    • WPA-PSK - if your laptop doesn't support WPA2


    The 802.1 protocols require a server to authenticate users.

    WEP is so insecure that you might as well not bother, a half competent hacker with a standard laptop can crack a WEP protected network with MAC address hiding and no SSID broadcast in about 45 minutes.

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    StuartR, its my theory that if its not done properly why bother. So i will be going it the way you suggested
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    And use a very strong password/key!

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    I hear this very often, and it's always puzzled me.
    Verizon FIOS uses WEP by default, and I suspect it's for compatibility. For instance, I have a mixture of Mac, Linux, XP and Win7 computers and some older hardware, so WPA isn't even an option.
    I do not believe anyone is going to sit in my parking lot, or even in a nearby unit and spend 45 minutes or more hacking my WiFi.
    I've looked at this hack, and it's not for the faint of heart.
    Even if such a hack occurred, what would a hacker get? I suppose the consequences could be dire in the most extreme case, but I don't exactly have a fortune to steal, and I know there's limited liability in such cases.
    In short, while I can see the advantage of WPA for those with state secrets, terrorists and others with info worth concealing, I think this vulnerability is way over blown for most of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    Your only sensible options are
    • WPA2-PSK - if your laptop supports this, which it probably will
    • WPA-PSK - if your laptop doesn't support WPA2


    The 802.1 protocols require a server to authenticate users.

    WEP is so insecure that you might as well not bother, a half competent hacker with a standard laptop can crack a WEP protected network with MAC address hiding and no SSID broadcast in about 45 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Vandervoort View Post
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    I do not believe anyone is going to sit in my parking lot, or even in a nearby unit and spend 45 minutes or more hacking my WiFi.
    ...
    • There are MANY people who think that hacking private wireless networks is a sport.
    • Scammers and spammers like to use this method to start work, as it ensures that someone else will take the blame if anything is ever traced back to their internet connection
    • Someone who connects to your wireless network will be INSIDE your hardware firewall, and in a position to compromise your computers much more easily.
    • Many people have received bans or restricted bandwidth from their ISP due to their internet connection being used for illegal uploads
    • Many people have bandwidth limitations and if someone else is piggy-backing on their network this will use it all up

    AND there is often no good reason for continuing to use WEP.

    I do agree that there are some unusual circumstances where WEP is the only choice, but it should be avoided wherever possible.

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