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    Thought this was the right place to post this thread as I can see no other suitable place.

    MS has now started to charge companies who rent out PC's to individuals and organizations and extra charge.

    A few years ago MS "decided" that the (your) license (OEM) for the (windows) OS was tied to the motherboard and NOT the individual.*

    My take on this new charge is that they are contradiction of their own decision.


    My questions to all of you are:

    "How can MS now charge someone extra for renting out a PC (with windows installed) when they have already paid for their license?" *(tied to motherboard)

    "Are they now starting to charge the individual as well?" (and in doing so create a second charge and extra revenue for themselves)

    "Is this charge legal?"*




    Well what do think? Am I right or wrong in my opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieK View Post
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    "Is this charge legal?"*
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    Answering that question would probably take enough intellectual property lawyers to run a small country - especially if you want an answer that is valid in more than 50% of the countries where Micosoft software is used.

    Edited to add:
    Do you have a reference or other detailed information about this charge?

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    Here you go Stuart. Note that the prices shown are only an introductory offer and will rise at a later date.

    http://www.neowin.net/news/main/10/0...hts-licensing*




    Also after reading your reply it occurred to me that no one will test this out in court due to the cost of legal fees. So another question:

    Is this yet another case of "Bully Boy" tactics?) (I am bigger than you so what you going to do about it!?

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieK View Post
    Interesting reading. I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.

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    MS has greyed the line defining "ownership" to suit their own purpose. Something I don't believe they have the "legal" right (whatever that is these days) to do.

    As such, I generally apply the principal that if I bought it, I own it and can do what I like with it as long as I don't violate established copyright laws in my country. IMHO, one should let their conscience and their moral compass be their guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Watson View Post
    ...I generally apply the principal that if I bought it, I own it and can do what I like with it as long as I don't violate established copyright laws in my country...
    Doc,

    Nobody sells software in the way that you are implying, they only sell a license to use the software under specific conditions.

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    If in fact they are doing this.. they better get ready for lawsuits..
    which I think should be used sparingly..
    That won't hold water so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    Doc,

    Nobody sells software in the way that you are implying, they only sell a license to use the software under specific conditions.
    Stuart,

    As I said, "one should let their conscience and their moral compass be their guide.". I don't have a team of lawyers working to enforce my rights, but I know what is right and what is wrong.

    Software licenses are nothing more than a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo written to keep the lawyers in business. When did buying a product become a rental ?? When we "buy" a Windows OS are we actually renting the right to use the OS ?? If that is the case, then they really need to make that clear and stop with their EULA nonsense. Nobody reads them and they know it !!!

    Please understand that I am not advocating piracy or copyright infringment. All I am saying is that there will always be a dishonest element in society. It's human nature. But to burden everyday users with all this legal nonsense to use something that is the modern day equivilent of the television or radio in their time is silly. Like so many other emerging technologies, once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't get him back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartR View Post
    I guess this depends on the kind of license you bought in the first place.
    Stuart I am assuming that this is for the OEM versions, but on deeper thought it could be for ALL versions of windows.*


    DOC As Stuart said we don't own the license we only "rent" it.

    The main downside of this was noticeable if you did a Win 7 UPGRADE from Vista to 7. If you took this route your Vista license key became null and void and you can never use that key to revert back to Vista. It made (makes) no difference that you bought a PC with Vista installed on it. A few folks will have been caught out by this. Hence one of the reasons my recommendation is to do a full (clean) install of 7.. This way you "Keep" your Vista license.*

    Suny*There will be a lot of companies that DO NOT have the cash to take this route. As I said Bully Boy tactics (?)

    *

    ErnieK

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