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    I don't know where this myth came from that a clean install is better than an in place upgrade but it is simply not true. The in place upgrade works smoothly and there is little chance of any software incompatibilities. Any potential problems are identified with the Upgrade Adviser. The ONLY in place upgrade that is possible is from Vista to Windows 7 and it works (as far as I can tell) flawlessly.

    If anything, the clean install is likely to present more problems when it comes to finding, installing, and configuring all the applications one might have then installing all the updates to them, and reintegrating all the output from them. And all that assumes there will be no problems with registrations when the applications are reinstalled.

    If one is eligible for an in place upgrade, I suggest that is the best path and there would have to be some very good and known reason for electing to do a clean install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chet Copeland View Post
    I don't know where this myth came from that a clean install is better than an in place upgrade but it is simply not true. The in place upgrade works smoothly and there is little chance of any software incompatibilities. Any potential problems are identified with the Upgrade Adviser. The ONLY in place upgrade that is possible is from Vista to Windows 7 and it works (as far as I can tell) flawlessly.

    If anything, the clean install is likely to present more problems when it comes to finding, installing, and configuring all the applications one might have then installing all the updates to them, and reintegrating all the output from them. And all that assumes there will be no problems with registrations when the applications are reinstalled.

    If one is eligible for an in place upgrade, I suggest that is the best path and there would have to be some very good and known reason for electing to do a clean install.
    Can you site any sources to support your contention ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chet Copeland View Post
    I don't know where this myth came from that a clean install is better than an in place upgrade but it is simply not true.
    If one is eligible for an in place upgrade, I suggest that is the best path and there would have to be some very good and known reason for electing to do a clean install.
    Well Chet, I think there are some "very good and known reasons" for choosing a clean install.

    I would suggest that you do a little more research on this topic before making some pretty questionable statements and recommendations.

    As for Doc's question - "can you cite any sources to support your contention?" - I think you may be searching for a long time.
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    Every source I have read concurs that the best approach is a clean install. I have again, read, that many people doing an inplace upgrade have had numerous unexplained complications. If it worked well for you , then good for you, I'm glad you had the success you did. But my belief is that I will continue to follow the experts opinions and recommend those opinions to others as a better alternative.

    I clean installed 5 seperate PC's, both laptop and desktops with great success.
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    Chet is either messing with us or doesn't have enough experience to know which one is the best way to go. I sometimes suggest trying the upgrade path but if it doesn't work out then be prepared to install clean, which of course almost always works. It can certainly be more inconvienent to get a lot of programs installed and configured properly again though and I don't need to cite any external sources for these nuggets of wisdom, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Watson View Post
    Can you site any sources to support your contention ??
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    For reinstalling many of the usual programs check out Ninite.
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    I do agree that a clean install will almost always be successful in installing the OS. But, that is only part of a migration. All 'upgrade' users must continue with the additional job of installing, updating/patching and configuring all their applications along with reloading the application user data. All these operations present at least a lot of additional manual work and a worst, a lot of grief regarding re-registering the applications.

    The Upgrade Adviser will warn of any potential software that may not be able to be migrated in place. An in place upgrade should result in a fully customized working system with all applications in place and working. If it doesn't, the worst case is having to then do a clean install. An initial clean install will always require a lot of additional work beyond the simple OS installation.

    Considering an in place upgrade is always coming from Vista, there is an excellent chance that it will go smoothly.

    I too have heard many experts recommend a clean install. It is perhaps the most certain as far as the OS is concerned but certainly not the easiest in terms of the overall system migration. That is probably the biggest reason the 'experts' recommend a clean install. The experts are narrowly focused on an OS upgrade whereas the user is (or should be) concerned about the total migration process.

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    Considering an in place upgrade is always coming from Vista, there is an excellent chance that it will go smoothly.
    I'm one for three so far with Vista to 7 but one upgrade failure was caused by underlying chipset drivers so maybe one for two is more accurrate. There are far more individual system configuration interactions than the upgrade advisor can account for in the detail needed to assure a successful inplace upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chet Copeland View Post
    I too have heard many experts recommend a clean install. It is perhaps the most certain as far as the OS is concerned but certainly not the easiest in terms of the overall system migration. That is probably the biggest reason the 'experts' recommend a clean install. The experts are narrowly focused on an OS upgrade whereas the user is (or should be) concerned about the total migration process.
    From your posts, I gather that you have not had experience with this your self? I think I understand where you are coming from, which is basically a non-technical user perspective. That said, the recommendation to build cleanly is in fact to save more headaches than create them. It is not a myth. Reinstalling software from scratch is far easier than wrestling with the myriad of in place upgrade issues that one could encounter. The "experts" are often suggesting clean builds due their experience in dealing with catastrophic failures from attempting in place upgrades, not because some white paper says its a good idea. Trust me when I say that the "clean install" recommendation is not a "narrowly focused" thought. Rather is it stated with the full intention of saving users many hours of aggravation, coupled with full knowledge that all applications will have to be installed.

    Since it appears that you are looking for info that says in place upgrades are a great idea and never fail, and not finding agreement on this forum, here's what I suggest: Get Acronis True Image. Make an image of your existing machine. Then try the in place upgrade. If it fails like it has for so many of us that have personally experienced it, then simply bring your image back down and you're back in business until you can plan for a proper migration. If you are successful with an in place upgrade, I think many us here would love to hear back from you.
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    The inplace upgrade does indeed leave installed programs where they were. But think of it: How many of the installed programs are actually used? Or even worse, how many of the installed programs are older versions that may or may not work correctly with Win 7. Yes, you have to reinstall you programs with a clean install. You may have to upgrade a few drivers, but you will end up with a clean, pristine install with all the latest software packages available. You will have far fewer conflicts with different versions trying to run and conflicting with each other. Clean install is best!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chet Copeland View Post
    Microsoft!
    OK... not very reliable and somewhat biased on the subject of their software. Remember they said XP would run on 128MB of RAM and Vista on 512 MB but 1 GB would be better.

    And, you did not site the information. Your statement, without a link to supporting documentation is virtually useless.
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    To begin with, I have had experience with this issue. I have earned my living in the IT industry for many years and recently retired as a IT Consultant after many years with HP, most recently as a Performance Specialist on theit hp-ux systems. While my work was never devoted to PCs, they were the most common user interface to the systems I dealt with and I have used and abused them since the days when Bill Gates was producing an OS for IBM.

    I have updated both my desktop (Acer M5620 with Q6600 CPU, 3 GB memory and 2 TB internal disk on a network that includes NAS drives, network printer as well as my other PC and even a Wii Console) and also laptop on the same network. Both updates were from Vista and were done as in place updates and there was only one hitch in the entire process that Microsoft quickly handled. While the laptop is a relatively simple system, the desktop has a wide range of somewhat unusual software on it. In addition to the two systems of my own, I have done two of my friends systems although one of those was also a very simple system. I did have (and still do have) Acronis and I had a complete image of my system drive on my NAS drive before starting both my updates along wiith a bootable CD.

    So don't try to tell me I don't know what I am talking about. Sure there are people who have problems doing an in place upgrade. The ones with problems are the only ones you hear about. I am not looking for any kind of confirmation that an inplace upgrade works but I will point out that all the recommendations for a clean install are being offered from a position that lacks any significant experience with an in place upgrade. I am suggesting an in place upgrade has an excellent chance of working and worst case is a second attempt requiring a clean install. A clean install will always produce a significant amount of post clean install work.

    Building cleanly will ONLY improve the chances of getting the OS installed. It will always complicate the process of migrating the remainder of the system.

    There is little risk to an in place upgrade and much to be gained. I stand by my recommendation for the reasons stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chet Copeland View Post
    So don't try to tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

    There is little risk to an in place upgrade and much to be gained. I stand by my recommendation for the reasons stated.
    Whoa, settle down. I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. However, please read all of your posts prior to your last one. Nothing there indicates that you have done this in the past. Can you see why I posted the way I did? From everyone else's posts, it appears that we all thought you were suggesting this based on only what you have read, and not experience. Perhaps you should have provided a little background first. I certainly would have given an entirely different answer. I'm certainly glad the in place upgrades have worked well for you.
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    Chet,
    Based on your years of experience you probably maintain your system in a very appropriate manner. I would suspect you keep apps up to date, run up to date virus scanners and malware scanners, clean out unwanted or unneeded files, etc. You are probably in the 5 % or so of users that do this. Unfortunately, the other 95 %, including many readers of this forum do not do, or perhaps know how to do the things you do without thinking about it. Because of this, an inplace update has many more chances of going awry. Yes, this allows the programs to continue, but see my last reply for my ideas on this.
    I firmly believe that for the vast majority of users, going to a pristine system using clean install is the best choice. I have read at least 2 of you that the inplace upgrade worked fine, and I applaud you on doing what it takes to keep your system in top notch shape, but for those others, please take everything you read here with a grain of salt and do your research before running the in place upgrade instead of the clean install.
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