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    I am trying to make a logo for my start-up company, but my funds are extremely limited.
    Microsoft Office Online has a fair selection of clip-art, but I am not sure after reading their "contract" if I can freely use their pictures.

    I have the software to assemble and create the logo, but I am not an artist.

    Besides Microsoft Office Online how does one find and use royalty free clip-art. What are the limitations and legalities of using them.

    I am in unfamiliar ground here and could use some help.

    Thanks in advance,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSpring View Post
    I am trying to make a logo for my start-up company, but my funds are extremely limited.
    Microsoft Office Online has a fair selection of clip-art, but I am not sure after reading their "contract" if I can freely use their pictures.

    I have the software to assemble and create the logo, but I am not an artist.

    Besides Microsoft Office Online how does one find and use royalty free clip-art. What are the limitations and legalities of using them.
    There are a variety of possible license terms for clip-art. No commercial clip-art can be re-sold as clip-art, but after that, you may get different restrictions for marketing material, web, presentations, etc. If you choose "open source" art, you may or may not have obligations to give attribution. I noticed that the Open Clip Art project (http://www.openclipart.org/browse) offers everything as Public Domain, i.e., without any restrictions at all.

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    Thank you for the heads-up about Open Clip Art project. They have some go items available.

    I know that different sources have their own requirements, but I was wondering in particular about the Clip Art provided on Microsoft Office Online website.
    The legal language is not clear (at least to me) whether one can use their Clip Art in a logo that would go on business cards, letter heads, publications, etc.

    Anyone have any ideas. I do not want to find myself in legal trouble down the road.

    Thanks,
    Richard Spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSpring View Post
    The legal language is not clear (at least to me) whether one can use their Clip Art in a logo that would go on business cards, letter heads, publications, etc.
    I'd say it's just not covered:
    14. Materials that Microsoft Licenses to You

    * Media Elements and Templates.You may have access to media images, clip art, animations, sounds, music, shapes, video clips, templates and other forms of downloadable content (“media elements”) associated with the service. If so, you may copy and use the media elements, and license, display and distribute them, along with your modifications as part of your software products, including your web sites, but you may not (i) sell, license or distribute copies of the media elements by themselves or as part of any collection, or product if the primary value of the product is in the media elements; (ii) grant customers of your product any rights to license or distribute the media elements; (iii) license or distribute any of the media elements that include representations of identifiable individuals, governments, logos, initials, emblems, trademarks, or entities for any commercial purposes or to express or imply any endorsement or association with any product, entity, or activity; or (iv) create obscene or scandalous works, as defined by law at the time the work is created, using the media elements.
    You would think Microsoft would at least mention presentations and Office documents... this really is a strange license.

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    That's just the reason I am a little concerned.
    I could not find a telephone number to Microsoft to call for clarification.
    Does anyone know the number to call?

    Richard Spring
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    I just ran across a website call www.istockphoto.com which seems to have royalty-free clipart for a small fee.
    Does anyone have experience with them and what where your results.

    Can one purchase images and use them in creating a logo for business usage? Any catches?

    Thanks,
    Richard Spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSpring View Post
    Can one purchase images and use them in creating a logo for business usage?
    The iStockPhoto legal page says:

    4. Standard License Prohibitions

    (a) Prohibited Uses. You may not do anything with the Content that is not expressly permitted in the preceding section or permitted by an Extended License. For greater certainty, the following are “Prohibited Uses” and you may not:
    ...
    4. use any of the Content as part of a trade-mark, design-mark, trade-name, business name, service mark, or logo;
    That seems pretty clear, but it sounds as though they might make exceptions. You could try contacting them using their help@ or service@ addresses.

    Fotolia, a site I found through a special offer to 1&1 hosting customers, has a similar provision (quoting Standard License, but Extended License is similar):

    3. Restrictions

    Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in this Agreement, and without limitation to any aforementioned restrictions, the Non-Exclusive Downloading Member acknowledges, agrees and warrants that he or she shall not:
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    (i) incorporate the Work into a trademark or service mark;
    I wonder why?

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    I'm not sure this is what you are looking for, but I came across this while researching copyright for my own small, online business.

    "Thoughts On Copyright Laws
    In many countries including the UK and the US copyright is automatic. For example in the UK as soon as you thought up your original idea and put it in some physical form it became copyrighted.

    Of course, having the right to control what happens to something posted on the Internet might be meaningless, but at least over here you would be entitled to your day(s) in court.

    I'm a poet, and I know that the technicalities of law don't necessarily reflect the realities of life. Unless you've paid your money to the government to register the copyright (at $45 a pop for poems), you're still fighting an uphill battle if it gets stolen.

    It's true, a lot of your leverage comes from the threat of statutory damages, which you can't collect if the infringement predates your registration. You can still go to court if you registered later, but unless you can prove actual lost sales, the infringer has little to fear but a slap on the wrist."
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    I did find a website www.clipart.com that cost $14.95 for a week worth of downloads.
    The clipart can not be registered or trademarked, but can be used in business letterheads, business cards, etc.

    I wil give them a try.

    Thanks to all.
    Richard Spring

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    Did you already Google "free royalty-free clipart"? Or "free photos" ? There are thousands of sites out there. All you need is one image.

    What graphics program are you using?
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    Yes, I did use Google search to find free clip-art. But, for the most part they give you the run around and it turns out to not be free.
    I did get the artwork I needed to complete my project and I think I am okay with any legal issues.

    I am using Adobe Photo-shop and Illustrator CS3 to complete the project.
    Richard Spring

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