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    I posted a warning about this problem in the "Windows Secrets Columns" area. I have a Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit computer.
    I wanted to create a disk image, and I got stuck at the very first step. I got a 32G Sandisk Cruzer USB memory stick. When I tried to back up onto it, it couldn't be done because the stick was not NTFS formatted. I try to format it in NTFS, and at the end of the process I get "Windows was unable to complete the format". I am trying various things, but failing.
    I tried formating it as FAT32, or restoring it to that. I tried an HP tool designed to format memory sticks. I hope I haven't ruined the device. When I looked on the web, I only saw solutions that I didn't understand, or that didn't work for me. The last thing I did was to format it as FAT32. It looked empty after that, with "show hidden files" set.
    Has someone been through this and found a solution?

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    In checking This post from How To Geek it should be possible to format a USB Flash Drive to NTFS. Perhaps your problem is caused by the flash drive. In checking the Scandisk site it appears their sticks should be able to be re-formated fairly easily. You might want to check with the reseller for a replacement.

    Using a flash drive to store your Images may not be the best alternative for long term storage, These devices are generally less predictable for long term use than, say, an Ext USB HD. The prices for these HD's are coming down very nicely. You might want to check this out.
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    I haven't had any problem formatting quite a few flash drives to NTFS so I can get some large files on them. Try an XP system and if it doesn't work there, I would also tend to think there is some glitch with your flash drive.

    One slight possibility, I remember something in Optional Windows Updates pertaining to making flash cards = to or greater than 32 gig compatible, but it may not be applicable to USB flash drives.

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    Byron, hello. I quote you as :

    >>>One slight possibility, I remember something in Optional Windows Updates pertaining to making flash cards = to or greater than 32 gig compatible, but it may not be applicable to USB flash drives.

    There was a crook in HongKong selling "doctored" 4 G SDHC to read that they were 32 Giggers. Google for fake 32 G. I got taken on two of them and only saw that they were fake after using them. I now use them as 4 Giggers and the world is happy. This took place on eBay.

    I have since refrained from doing any trade with any HK address and mentioned why to all of them.

    Be good..........Jean.

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    The very simple step 1 in the "how to geek" article was the very first thing I had already tried that failed. Then I unchecked the "quick format" and tried, and, again, failure, at the very end of the formatting process, with the error message that I quoted. I also did try doing this in an XP machine, with the same result. Both machines have the same security software (VIPRE). I may try with a different XP machine.
    My understanding was that the compatibility problem only occurs with greater than 32 Gig, and not with equal to 32 Gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yerubal View Post
    I posted a warning about this problem in the "Windows Secrets Columns" area. I have a Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit computer.
    I wanted to create a disk image, and I got stuck at the very first step. I got a 32G Sandisk Cruzer USB memory stick. When I tried to back up onto it, it couldn't be done because the stick was not NTFS formatted. I try to format it in NTFS, and at the end of the process I get "Windows was unable to complete the format". I am trying various things, but failing.
    I tried formating it as FAT32, or restoring it to that. I tried an HP tool designed to format memory sticks. I hope I haven't ruined the device. When I looked on the web, I only saw solutions that I didn't understand, or that didn't work for me. The last thing I did was to format it as FAT32. It looked empty after that, with "show hidden files" set.
    Has someone been through this and found a solution?
    yerubal, have you tried this ? http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...t-32-ntfs.html
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    Roderunner, I had not tried anything like the SevenForums item. It looks VEry promising, and I'll try it later today, when I have a chance.

    [Not to confuse things, but to report something:
    I wanted to see what the USB drive looked like on an XP system that has MSE instead of VIPRE for security. This wa on the Win side of a Mac. This was right after formatting it as Fat32 on my other XP PC. I looked at the contents of the USB drive, and found 3 items I had never seen, two folders and one file, respectively, .Spotlight-V100 folder, .Trashes folder, and ._.Trashes file. I wonder if they were placed there during the last (Fat32) formatting. In any case, I'm going to go with Roderunner's suggestion next.]

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    A sad outcome to my attempt to do the Fat32 -> NTFS conversion, using the SevenForums method. In Windows7, I went to an Elevated Command Prompt, and then used the "convert" command recommended. What happened was exactly as in the illustration there (at "step 4"), until after the line "Converting file system". Then, I got the following lines:

    The first NTFS boot sector is unwriteable.
    All NTFS boot sectors are unwriteable. Cannot continue.

    (At that point, the cursor went to the next line, but there was nothing on that line other than the cursor, and the flash drive kept flashing.)
    I have to leave this project here for now. I might be able to return to it later today, though I don't know what to do with the latest clues.

    EDIT: I should have mentioned that the 3 items I found in my previous post, 2 folders and a file, were deleted by me as soon as I found them, and before the procedure reported in the present post.

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    Well, it either can't or wont write the NTFS boot sectors, which means it either prevented by some protocol from writing or its just corrupted and can't be written to.

    Either way it doesn't look too promising. What I would try, just because its a different approach, and not because it may do the trick (though it might ), is use Gparted to write a new partition table and then try and format it to NTFS with Gparted.

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    Byron, thanks for the idea. I don't have the understanding and know-how to use the Gnome partition program, however, with enough confidence.
    If no sufficiently simple solution pops up, I might wind up trying to use about 7 DVDs, instead of this memory stick. The fact that you have formatted quite a few flash drives as NTFS without problems makes me wonder what happened here (Maybe there's something wrong with the stick, as has been suggested. Or I might have dinged the drive by now, by subjecting it to some of the formatting attempts, etc., that I performed.). Discouraging.
    NOTE: For what it's worth: Just for the heck of it, I took a 2GB USB drive and formatted it as NTFS on the Windows 7 PC, just by right clicking on the icon and then choosing format and NTFS, etc., and sure enough it went quickly, smoothly and successfully.
    EDIT: I wonder whether it has to do with the 32G size after all.

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    This might be a different topic. I don't know. I tried doing an image backup using (4.7G) DVD-R's. The PC said the backup might take up to 27G, but it took less than 2 DVD's. That seems suspicious. I've read that there isn't usually very much compression. Any comment? I sure don't know how to check; I trusted that it was doing what it was supposed to.
    EDIT: I did decline to do a System Repair Disk, since I had made one some time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yerubal View Post
    Roderunner, I had not tried anything like the SevenForums item. It looks VEry promising, and I'll try it later today, when I have a chance.

    [Not to confuse things, but to report something:
    I wanted to see what the USB drive looked like on an XP system that has MSE instead of VIPRE for security. This wa on the Win side of a Mac. This was right after formatting it as Fat32 on my other XP PC. I looked at the contents of the USB drive, and found 3 items I had never seen, two folders and one file, respectively, .Spotlight-V100 folder, .Trashes folder, and ._.Trashes file. I wonder if they were placed there during the last (Fat32) formatting. In any case, I'm going to go with Roderunner's suggestion next.]
    Can USB name be changed. How does it look as in my image ?

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    I've included the image that corresponds to yours, as an attachment.[img]C:\Documents and Settings\Gideon\Desktop\screen.jpg[/img]
    EDIT: I see it's not exactly like yours. Don't know if that's important.
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    Can you right click on the device (I assume it's the device labeled Disk 1 TINYTOM) in the device manager screen and choose to format as NTFS from here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yerubal View Post
    I've included the image that corresponds to yours, as an attachment.[img]C:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5CGideon%5CDesktop %5Cscreen.jpg[/img]
    EDIT: I see it's not exactly like yours. Don't know if that's important.
    yerubal, it was the security tab I wanted as in my image.
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