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    MSE definitions - how to force updates?

    I've cot a Catch-22 problem here.

    I've just installed MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) and then read about it in a number of forums.

    It seems that it does it's updates through Windows Updates, which, based on the recommendations of our Windows Secrets experts, should not be set on 'automatic update'.

    MSE also updates its definitions at start-up, but I leave this machine on all the time. I need new definitions much more often than I reboot.

    Looking around, I found a work-around, (MSE Update Utility), that is supposed to fix that by forcing updates whether Windows Updates is on or off.But it isn't letting me install the program, as you can see in the pop-up:

    mse update util - bug.jpg (Continue puts it in an endless loop; eventually the only option is Quit)

    While I consider myself an advanced PC user, I'm not savvy enough to fix Net Framework.

    Does anyone have any ideas on how to get MSE to update definitions daily without letting Windows Updates take over my machine?

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    I get my updates for MSE through Windows Updates as well, and even though mine is also set to tell me when updates are available, it seems MSE updates automatically. I just checked and MSE was updated yesterday and has no updates available as yet today. I did NOT do a manual Windows Updates yesterday even though my MSE was updated. This is what I want to happen.
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    I check via Microsoft Update and install the updated definitions manually; last time I checked, there had been definition updates issued over 14 hours before and the PC had been connected and active during that entire period, this is one of the areas that MSFT need to address with MSE - another is the tardiness of it actually flagging a piece of malware, there have been times when I've manually discovered malware and MSE has not alerted me until 40 minutes later. MSE doesn't seem to be very efficient in certain areas.

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    MSE uses the Windows Update infrastructure to get definition updates. As long as the underlying services are running it does not matter how you have Automatic Updates configured. MSE will check roughly once a day for definition updates and install as needed. See MSE definition updates for more detail.

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    Also in W7 if you click on the "Show Hidden Icons" on the right side of your task bar you will see MSE. you can click on it and update the definitions as well.
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    As Joe and I have stated MSE updates automatically without any user input, unless an individual has manually stopped the appropriate service.
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    I think you forgot the word eventually, Ted

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    My MSE updates every single day in the evening EST US. There is no eventually associated with this. Every evening I get new definitions pushed automatically to me without any intervention on my part. I can understand that every PC with MSE on earth does not update at the same time every day. That would not be possible. My PC updates in the evening so I suppose if I was attacked by a virus during the day before the definition for that virus was pushed to me I might be vulnerable. But you know, I have never had a successful virus attack on my PC or my wife's PC or our desktop PC. Perhaps we are lucky, or perhaps our multi-layer approach to nasties is working. I use a hardware firewall in my router plus the Windows Firewall on our PC's in addition to MSE on all PC's. We do not go to what are commonly considered bad sites. We do not open things that appear in our email, we do not put files from unknown sources on our PC's, etc. I believe that these definition updates are indeed timely considering the number of PC's that must be updated.

    The whole point to these posts was that MSE does update without user interface. I suppose no matter what we do we could eventually fall victim to some jerk that has nothing better to do than create viruses. That's why I have often advocated that everyone should be proactive in their security rather than relying on others to make them secure.
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    Gave up on MSE Update Utility - using Task Scheduler instead

    I started this thread to be able to get regular updates for MSE without having Windows Updates set as automatic.

    Some replies told me that it didn't matter what level Windows Updates is at, as long it is is on, and MSE definitions would update. That didn't happen on my machine. (Windows 7 Ultimate, AMD Athlon 2core 64) No updates occurred.

    I tried the MSE Update Utility, but it wouldn't work, as reported in post #1. I didn't want to mess with my OS. Net Framework or changing the JIT debugging. So I Googled.

    After looking at a lot of other forums, i found a link to a page (see note below) that makes it simple to set up Windows Task Scheduler to update MSE exactly when and how often I want. Screen shots and strings ready to cut and paste.

    It's in the Scheduler now, and I'll see if it does the task at 2 am tomorrow morning. Stay tuned...
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    The 'link to a page' I have posted above did not work for me. I followed the instructions exactly, but no update took place. The scheduler showed error: 0x2.

    In a later post, cws posted a much more precise link that does work perfectly.
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    Joro,

    I have no idea why you had to set up a scheduled task to accomplish this definition update since I do not have to do this. That said, thank you for the link. This might help those having similar problems.
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    I was going to mention the task scheduler method, but I see Joro already found it. I did the same thing a while back, because I wanted it to update more often than once a day. I think I have it checking for an update every 6 hours, all day. I'm pretty sure that link was mentioned in this forum, back when I found it.

    EDIT: I found that old post, and the link target seems to be a much fuller explanation of exactly what to enter in the task scheduler than the link Joro found. It's at THIS site. Try that one, if you have any trouble, Joro - worked for me.
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    Thanks very much, cws. The 'link to a page' I posted earlier for the task scheduler to update did not work for me, but when I went to your link (THIS) and used it to configure the Task Scheduler, it worked right away.

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    Thank you. That was a great post.

    Still, I’m surprised to see no MSE definition update on Windows Update user interface. Perhaps the reason is that Microsoft does not make the updates available through WSUS. (Mind you, doing so costs a lot of bandwidth for Microsoft)

    But perhaps I can write buy levitra a Windows PowerShell script or a C# application that automatically disconnect from Internet, disable Antimalware, copy updates, reactivate both and then distribute the updates over the network…?
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    Maybe I am not understanding your post, but Windows Update DOES show a new definition waiting, until MSE picks it up.

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