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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Spafford View Post
    Thank you, thank you ruirib! Your link to TakeOwnership is easily the most helpful post I have seen yet on this site. I quickly found it to be a godsend! It was only after posting my unhappiness with the inflexibility of Win7 that I spotted your kind and temperate words on XP. I knew that if I dug here long enough that I would find a gem! Your post was that gem.
    I did it the hard way until I saw someone here advising it, too. This site is a fountain of knowledge and I am glad it has been of use to you, Bob .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Spafford View Post
    Thank you, thank you ruirib! Your link to TakeOwnership is easily the most helpful post I have seen yet on this site. I quickly found it to be a godsend! It was only after posting my unhappiness with the inflexibility of Win7 that I spotted your kind and temperate words on XP. I knew that if I dug here long enough that I would find a gem! Your post was that gem.
    Before routinely using "Take ownership", a description of your issue(s) might be in order. There are several things that have changed in Windows 7 that are not readily apparent to those migrating from XP. They can be very frustrating. OTOH, if you try to force Win7 to work just the way XP did you'll likely end up breaking something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evaluate View Post
    Quote from JimP: "One thing that could make UAC much better would be to not have to give permission to the same program every time it runs. "

    You can change how UAC 'gets in your face':
    Type UAC in the search bar and go to User Account Control Settings.
    Config the way you want it to behave.

    I have it set to the second setting from the top. It seems to 'do' it's job and stay out of face at the same time.
    Yes, that's where I have mine set also. However, there are some programs that still need to be given permission to run every time. One example is Foxit pdf reader, among others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
    Yes, that's where I have mine set also. However, there are some programs that still need to be given permission to run every time. One example is Foxit pdf reader, among others.
    I no longer use Foxit, but used it until a few months ago and never had this issue. My UAC is set as described, too, which I also find unintrusive enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruirib View Post
    I no longer use Foxit, but used it until a few months ago and never had this issue. My UAC is set as described, too, which I also find it unintrusive enough.
    Interesting. We both have UAC set the same, but it acts differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
    Interesting. We both have UAC set the same, but it acts differently.
    Did you change the properties on the compatibility tab for the .exe file to "Run this program as administrator"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Did you change the properties on the compatibility tab for the .exe file to "Run this program as administrator"?

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    Yes, and I have done that for some other programs that need approval every time. It makes no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Spafford View Post
    I think that what people object to is Microsoft saying by their behavior "We know what the best way is for you to use your computer, and we will force you to use it as we deem correct and allow you no other option." "We own a monopoly on the PC operating system and We will do whatever We want to without any regard for your difficulty accessing files that you created on your own computer." "We are the creator, and you a mere user. You may own the computer, but We will dictate how you may use it."


    I wonder how long it will be until our cars come with the monopoly AutoDrive System factory installed. You may own the car, but the molopoly AutoDrive System will tell you where it will allow you to drive, and exactly how you will drive there! Oh yes, monopoly AutoDrive does crash your car now and then. But, you did agree to the EULA stating that any losses from the AutoDrive System crashing your car will be borne by you. Does anyone have a problem with this picture? If you do, you might want to keep your old car for as long as you possibly, possibly can. I here predict that XP will be the longest lived product in Microsoft's history or future! Like Joni said, "You don't know what you got till it's gone. . ."
    I thought of such an analogy myself after encountering this under Vista on a previous PC, and although it is an exaggeration somewhat, i can sympathize with the sentiment. But with cars depending on software more and more, you could very well be told that you do not have permission to open your hood or something (or "are you sure you want to allow access?") all of which could be justified in the name of safety. And with cyberwarfare becoming an increasing threat (Stunext on steroids), the move toward more precautions will be.

    Driving is analogous to using the Internet, as you have a lot of freedom on where to go, and there are places you should avoid, and thus instruction on correct usage and investigating what is running should be emphasized more.

    I actually first ran into this "you do not have ownership" of my own files on my own hard drive using Linux years ago, and i never found the right script to get full read and write rights to an external drive.

    My desire for such freedom is within the context of having extensive daily use of the Internet under W/9x and XP over the course of 10 years and only experiencing 2 viruses, thank God, the last being a due to a free program, the first out of multitudes.

    I have used the mvps host file for years which i think helps, and avoid bad (porn, gambling) sites, and i try to keep an eye on what is running. A helpful utility in this regard is Whats my computer doing? I do think that MS should came standard with an apps that shows you which http addresses the PC is accessing, as well as what i writing to the HD, with an optional log file, while the clock should allow showing CPU usage. I have actually found the former hard to find. If anyone has a recommendation let me know.

    I did use Vista for a while, and found and used the TakeOwnership tweak, and which helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Spafford View Post
    I think that what people object to is Microsoft saying by their behavior "We know what the best way is for you to use your computer, and we will force you to use it as we deem correct and allow you no other option." "We own a monopoly on the PC operating system and We will do whatever We want to without any regard for your difficulty accessing files that you created on your own computer." "We are the creator, and you a mere user. You may own the computer, but We will dictate how you may use it."
    I think that many years of experience in building operating systems that people could too easily mess up and that are under constant attack from outside malware sources, does somewhat make Microsoft an authority on what is best. People here might not need all the protections and file restrictions that are built into Windows 7 but I believe a lot of people do. I think the OS comes just as it should. Solutions to file permissions and movements are available but I think it's a good thing that these aren't made too easy to implement.

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    Win 7 annoyances

    I have been following the thread with interest and the hope that my problem would be solved but no such luck. I have Win 7 Home Premium installed and I am very happy with it on the whole. However, it sometime does something strange which I can't resolve.
    I use Firefox 8 as my browser and when ver 8.01 was available, I downloaded it and tried to install it. I then got a "Run as" message informing me that I do not have the necessary permissions to run the install program and gives me 2 options: run program as current user (myself) or as the following user, with Administrator filled in in the user name box. This has never happened to me when installing previous versions of Firefox.
    I installed Win 7 myself on a new PC and never assigned a separate Administrator user and therefore no password either. I thought that I was the Administrator. Neither of the options work for me and when I click on the "OK" box I get an error message saying "Logon failure".
    Has anyone any thoughts on resolving this issue?

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    charlieb, Welcome to the Lounge as a new poster.

    Even running an account with administrator privledges does not give the highest level of permissions. A couple of ways to gain this higher level of permissions is
    1) download the exe and save it to your PC. Right click the file and choose Run As Administrator.

    2) Enable the hidden Administrator account.

    I hope this helps in your quest.
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    Thanks for your prompt and useful reply. I tried your first solution and it works so that's great. I learnt something new

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
    Yes, and I have done that for some other programs that need approval every time. It makes no difference.

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    That will cause the UAC prompt each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceByJesus View Post
    I thought of such an analogy myself after encountering this under Vista on a previous PC, and although it is an exaggeration somewhat, i can sympathize with the sentiment. But with cars depending on software more and more, you could very well be told that you do not have permission to open your hood or something (or "are you sure you want to allow access?") all of which could be justified in the name of safety. And with cyberwarfare becoming an increasing threat (Stunext on steroids), the move toward more precautions will be.

    Driving is analogous to using the Internet, as you have a lot of freedom on where to go, and there are places you should avoid, and thus instruction on correct usage and investigating what is running should be emphasized more.

    I actually first ran into this "you do not have ownership" of my own files on my own hard drive using Linux years ago, and i never found the right script to get full read and write rights to an external drive.

    My desire for such freedom is within the context of having extensive daily use of the Internet under W/9x and XP over the course of 10 years and only experiencing 2 viruses, thank God, the last being a due to a free program, the first out of multitudes.

    I have used the mvps host file for years which i think helps, and avoid bad (porn, gambling) sites, and i try to keep an eye on what is running. A helpful utility in this regard is Whats my computer doing? I do think that MS should came standard with an apps that shows you which http addresses the PC is accessing, as well as what i writing to the HD, with an optional log file, while the clock should allow showing CPU usage. I have actually found the former hard to find. If anyone has a recommendation let me know.

    I did use Vista for a while, and found and used the TakeOwnership tweak, and which helps.
    I've thought about this anology too and isn't this what is behind DRM technology where you don't really own the music or video, you own the right to play or watch the music or video even if you own the CD, DVD, or BluRay. I'm concerned that the PC will become a closed system which is the opposite of the open PC system that everyone enjoys today where anyone can build a PC and install the Operating System of their choice or even create their own operating system. Closing the PC could be used to stop people from using linux and other operating systems or even disable a version of Windows that Microsoft no longer supports to force people to buy the newest version of windows. I really hope this concept doesn't move on to other things like cars. Under this concept, your car's hood would be locked and if you had problems with your car, your only option would be to take it to a dealership who has the keys to open the hood instead of a mechanic you trust since the engine and other components are locked down for your own safety and to prevent damage from faulty aftermarket parts, bad mechanics, etc. I still wonder, can the RIAA, MPAA, or Microsoft use DRM technology to stop me from running Windows 7, playing a CD, or watching a movie merely because they believe I am involved in piracy of some kind but am completely innocent? I remember having to reactivate my Windows XP computer after a false positive from Windows Genuine Advantage (or whatever it's called) which told me after 2 years of running my copy of XP that my copy was not a "valid copy" and I had to call Microsoft to get a new key. With DRM technology, they could disable my entire computer if they believe I have an invalid copy of Windows, or pirate music and videos. I just have to trust them that they will never do this and give me the chance to prove I am not doing what I'm accused of doing.

    Sorry for going off-topics. My opinion of Microsoft taking away some features and adding restrictions in the name of security is that the one-size-all approach for their OS doesn't work. Even with all the confusing editions of Windows, Microsoft should offer an edition for people who are more tech savy and understand computers and network security that doesn't have as many restrictions. The one-size-fits all approach is ridiculus. Why should I be restricted on what I can do just because someone else who didn't know what they were doing ended up infecting their computer with malicious software? A lot of people I know don't use anti-virus software, download items from the Internet and expect them to be virus free and never run a virus scan on them, keep their virus definition files out of date, etc. Then they come to me for help wondering why they managed to get infected with a virus. Of course if they did offer some version for people who are more computer literate, everyone else will buy it too. I don't think locking everything down to protect people from themselves is the right approach. This would be like locking the hoods of cars so only the dealer (who has the key to open the hood) can fix a car just to prevent you from damaging your car, someone stealing parts from your car, or a bad mechanic screwing it up. This would mean even for an oil change or to change a burned out headlight you would have to go to the dealer instead of doing it yourself and doing all repairs from a dealership instead of a mechanic.
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