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    Firefox’s future is in Google's hands

    O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!

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    ???
    I had been led to believe that chrome took all your private info but firefox did not.
    That would be enough to keep me using firefox. With proper sales pitch mozilla
    can keep firefox going quite a lot longer.

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    What a blow that would be if Firefox turned belly up. I have all 3 big browsers on my PC (not interested in a Mac) IE, Chrome and FF and use FF almost to the exclusion of the other 2. Far and away the best browser. But I guess business is business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    ???
    I had been led to believe that chrome took all your private info but firefox did not.
    That would be enough to keep me using firefox. With proper sales pitch mozilla
    can keep firefox going quite a lot longer.
    That Chrome (and Google Search) behavior can be modified with browser Extensions, such as Abine's ChromeBlock. Not eliminated, but mitigated.
    -- Bob Primak --

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    It can also be eliminated buy not installing chrome if your that paranoid.

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    Why I like Opera so much

    Because it's a small target for hackers and does everything I want. And it's mostly quicker to load.

    Mind you, I keep my passwords in KeePass so I can use them just as easily with any browser that can handle some of the increasingly annoyingly virtuoso-designed web sites I find myself needing to access.

    I wonder, however, whether these guys who can't restrain themselves from speculating about the future behaviour of users ever consider that, while there are no doubt millions like themselves (us?) who like to think they follow the technical advantage, there are tens, if not hundreds, of millions who simply stick with the default because they can't be bothered to learn anything different.

    Which is how Microsoft built its success (and Digital Research didn't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakdale View Post
    Because it's a small target for hackers and does everything I want. And it's mostly quicker to load.
    I was an Opera-first user for years, until a revision that stopped it handling my JavaScript the way it had done (which was just like IE and FF did and do). I could not get any help from company or community so I reverted to FF (in spite of its non-existent help system). Before long a FF revision concealed the familiar GUI and disconnected both my add-ons without any speed gain at all.

    Chrome was then newish but as fast-loading as Opera had been and did everything right, including lightning-fast updates. Just recently Chrome has started to mess with my text formatting (as has Opera - so the newer Standards must be to blame), but it's still the best I can find (Safari's "wall" annoys me and it's slow to patch over security concerns).

    Strangely enough, Opera's recent updates have restored the JavaScript functionality the earlier update removed !

    As a heartfelt generalisation, browsers' managements need to stop interfering with users' GUI preferences and move the liberated manpower to providing good help facilities.

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    I have all three on my machine but virtually never use IE or Chrome - if I NEED IE for something, I simply switch rendering engines in FF and there I have an IE tab. I hate the lack of customization Chrome provides, there is very little under that wrench, IE is no better. FF alone allows roughly a zillion add ons and extensions of great utility, it almost never crashes, it is completely reliable and customizable, you can get back the things Chrome decides you don't need, you can rearrange icons on your toolbar, it is a wonderful tool. I would hate to see it go under, I've been using it exclusively for years and I would go back to Opera before using either IE or Chrome as my primary browser.

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    If you like Chrome but don't like the privacy issue, try SRW's Iron browser:

    http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

    It has all the Chrome features (it's based on Chrome) but has all the privacy tracking stuff removed. So far, all the add-ons for Chrome work with IRON.

    Super fast too. I used to use Opera, but have switched to Iron as my default.

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    I just downloaded the portable version of Iron. It's certainly faster than Firefox 8.
    Looks like an interesting browser.
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    Firefox will be fine. The MONEY from Google to Mozilla is all about the licensing dollars for the default search engine in Firefox. Micro$oft will be happy to step in and have Bing be the new default search engine in FF. MS is now competing against both Google's Search and Chrome, so sending some money to Mozilla is a no-brainer for MS.

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    Well, my initial testing of Iron leaves me with the same impression as Chrome. It certainly won't be my default browser, as I currently see it.

    The reason: Comparing it to the NoScript add-on for Firefox, with NoScript you have the option to select what scripts you want to allow or not allow (as there are usually more than one wanting to run), and whether or not to temporally allow your choice or permanently allow your choice.
    With Iron, and Chrome, it's either all or nothing. Same with cookies.

    Consequently I'll keep Firefox as my default browser, for now anyway.
    Hawk

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    Exclamation Firefox is largely broken

    Firefox is largely broken in multiple ways.
    The password manager is terribly unreliable.
    I have put test cases on Bugzilla about it and all the defensive fighting I got was unbelievable.
    Different wrong opinions. Certain people disagree about it being broken, though I proved the problem.
    No one in charge ready to make an executive decision. To fix things. Users get frustrated when things don't work the way they expect them to work.

    Firefox is starting to really show that it's being written by hundreds of different people.
    No one strong in charge. It's like Linux in that respect.

    I have put in bug reports that are now over 5 years old. Never worked on by anyone. The bugs are still there.

    Security issues too, often caused by Adobe Flash, it's nearly impossible to update that often enough. But Firefox has it's own security problems.

    The best things about Firefox are obviously the extensions, some of which are so good they keep me using a largely defective browser.
    Adblock is the main one. That thing is the bomb. If IE had that I would just use IE.

    If Firefox is going to progress and be a force in the future someone is going to have to take responsibility for things. Decide how things are going to work and how they are not going to work. Override the volunteer developers objections when it's necessary for survival of the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Well, my initial testing of Iron leaves me with the same impression as Chrome. It certainly won't be my default browser, as I currently see it.

    The reason: Comparing it to the NoScript add-on for Firefox, with NoScript you have the option to select what scripts you want to allow or not allow (as there are usually more than one wanting to run), and whether or not to temporally allow your choice or permanently allow your choice.
    With Iron, and Chrome, it's either all or nothing. Same with cookies.

    Consequently I'll keep Firefox as my default browser, for now anyway.
    ScriptNo for Chrome is fairly similar and should work with Iron. Have a read about it here:

    http://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/15/scr...on-for-chrome/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steevo View Post
    Security issues too, often caused by Adobe Flash, it's nearly impossible to update that often enough. But Firefox has it's own security problems.

    The best things about Firefox are obviously the extensions, some of which are so good they keep me using a largely defective browser.
    Adblock is the main one. That thing is the bomb. If IE had that I would just use IE.
    Adobe Flash is one program I refuse to install on my computer, or as an add-on to any browser, because - as you mentioned - it is a major security problem, along with Acrobat Reader from Adobe. Another utility I will not install.

    I also like NoScript as a Firefox add-on.
    Quote Originally Posted by mart44 View Post
    ScriptNo for Chrome is fairly similar and should work with Iron. Have a read about it here:

    http://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/15/scr...on-for-chrome/
    I'll check that out. Thanks!
    Hawk

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