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    Select Outline Levels With Keyboard In Word 2010?

    Hi,

    After literally -20- years using a DOS outliner program (Grandview) I am forcing myself to try to use Word 2010 Outliner. (BOY do I hate Word 2010 so far but that's another rant.)

    I am trying to select outline 'levels' using keyboard shortcut and I can't figure out how to do it. It seems like one needs to use the mouse to select a the 'pluses' and 'minuses'.

    Is this possible? If so, -how-?

    TIA,

    ---JC

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    You can change outline levels by typing Alt-Shift-Left Arrow and Alt-Shift-Right Arrow.

    If you want to move selected paragraphs up or down, try Alt-Shift-Up Arrow or Alt-Shift-Down Arrow
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Right, but can you -select- an outline level with the keyboard. What drives me nuts is having to take my fingers of the keyboard and grab the mouse ot -select- the outline level I want to move.

    Anyone?

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    You don't need to select it to move it using the keyboard commands I listed.

    If you want to select a paragraph without the mouse then you could try Ctrl-Up Arrow to put the cursor at the start of the paragraph then Ctrl-Shift-Down Arrow to select the paragraph.
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Yeah, it's not the same thing. I wish it was. I do appreciate your efforts, though. I used to use a program called 'Grandview' that was -exactly- what I want. There's no Outlining program for Windows which is worth a hang. Ya need a keystroke shortcut to move whole sections around.

    Thanks,

    ---JC

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    I assume that you want to move a parent item and all its children in outline view.

    Your keyboard method choices are:
    1. Select the relevant tree structure and use the Alt-Shift-Arrow Up or Down
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    2. Collapse the tree so you can only see the parent (Alt-Shift-Underline) and then use the Alt-Shift-Arrow options

    Your third option is to continue to use Grandview or one of its purpose-designed competitors such as http://www.sainsoftware.com/
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Unhappy I am an ex-Grandview user too

    I am an ex-Grandview user too, and have been looking for a Windows workalike for years. I got Grandview to run on VMWare Workstation 7 once, but upgraded to WS 8, and it did not work anymore. Went back to WS 7 but don't remember how I got it to work.

    Grandview was so intuitive, and really enables one to think and outline at the same time. I even did an entire corporate new business development proposal for presentation to the chairman of the parent company as a Grandview outline--he loved it--it was very logically presented, no bells and whistles--just the points. I did my best writing with GV.

    Don't understand why nobody has ported GV over to Windows yet. I don't have the technical ability. The Word outlining is just no comparison to GV. What a writer wants is something keyboard based.

    I will give it another try with VMWare Workstation.

    Otherwise, I am thinking about setting up an old laptop with DOS 6.22, and may even try to fire up the old 486 machine (which I still have--don't know if it still works--the spiders may have taken it over), or even the IBM PC/XT--that's how much I wish I had the use of GV again.

    I am planning to do some substantial writing in the immediate future, so have been seeking viable alternatives. Will give Sainsoftware a try.

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