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    Running Defragmenter

    Hi all,

    I've been trying to run the defrag on my win 95 machine. It goes fine until abot 81-83% complete, then it basically hangs, and goes at about 1% per hour. I make sure I've done a standard scandisk prior. Can anyone explain why this might be happening, and what I can do to make it go all the way? Also, I have never been able to make the advanced scandisk run. It always tells me that it has had to restart a million times, or something similar. Any thoughts on this?

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    In my view, defragmenting successfully requires 2 main things:
    1] Around 30% free disc space
    2] A minimum amount of applications running.

    Hanging at 81-83% may be indicitive of a single large file for which there is not enough space to move the fragments about. From memory, the defrag in W95 was a little crude, and just did not have the intelligence to get itself out of a loop where it was endlessly trying to find an answer to a problem for which there was no solution.

    Restarting is usually due to a change in the disc - e.g. if Outlook is running it will be updating the .pst file on a regular basis. You also want to ensure no anti-virus software is running.

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Thanks Leif,

    I have a 6 GB hard drive, of which about 4.5GB is free. Also, whenever I've tried to run either, I always shut down as many programs as I possibly can using the Ctrl-Alt-Del routine. I leave open systray and explorer, as a microsoft person said that these always needed to be on. So I think those 2 conditions are met...which is why I'm a bit surprised that neither seem to work properly...

    Any other ideas?

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    What file system are you using? FAT32?
    How much RAM do you have?

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    What's FAT32? How do I find out what file system I'm using?
    I have 32MB RAM. Also, I have no anti-virus software at all (shame on me)

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Some further info / help possibly from these:

    Q155326 Windows 95 Defrag.exe Command-Line Parameters

    Q286263 List of Articles About the Disk Defragmentor Tool

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Thanks very much Leif,

    I'll take a look at these and email again to say whether the problem was fixed. Thanks again.

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    From My Computer, right_click > Properties on your C-drive should tell you the file system -
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.mfm.com/~mknipfer/fat32.html>http://www.mfm.com/~mknipfer/fat32.html</A> gives you step-by-step instructions.

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q127/8/51.asp>Q127851</A> Problems Accessing FAT16 Drives Larger Than 2 GB
    may give another reason why defrag is hanging.

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Oh OK. I just did that and it says Local Disk (FAT32), so I guess Q127851 won't help. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Although the following is for Windows 98 boxes, it may also give you some pointers:

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.windows-help.net/windows98/troub-29.htm>http://www.windows-help.net/windows98/troub-29.htm</A>

    As far as I know you can't run DEFRAG.INF in 95, since it does not have the proper registry key.
    -Mark

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Thanks Mark,

    After reading the articles so far about Defrag, they all seemed to say "Make sure nothing's running, then just let it go until it's done, no matter how long it takes, and do it in Safe Mode". So I let it go for yesterday in Safe mode, and it completed. Hopefully now it's sorted out its problem.

    Nevertheless, I still can't get Advanced Scandisk to run...

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    Re: Running Defragmenter

    Hi. Try these ideas (some obvious I know, others not so) -
    1) If you're using power management and/or screensavers, then temporarily disable them or extend all time settings to at least 45 mins.
    2) Do you have any printer status monitor programs running in the background? If so try closing them. They don't always show up (in Win95) using Ctrl-Alt-Del, (eg my HP LJ5L when using PCL).
    3) Your temp directory may be cluttered up with old files. Try dumping them.
    4) Suggest you edit msdos.sys to automatically present the Boot Menu on startup so that you can easily select your boot option. (This saves having to hit the F8 key at the right time!) Ditch the logo at the same time and you can see more of what is happening on start-up. Then boot to Dos and try running scandisk from there.
    If you want to, you can email me for more details and a sample msdos.sys (renamed to msdos.txt for mailing). Good luck.

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