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    Question is microsoft stealing my private data ?

    using xppro sp3 and firefox to access hotmail

    when i log into hotmail there is a long period while
    the screen rapidly blinks over and over many times
    and i see things being activated on the bottom bar
    at sites like vo.msecnd.net
    pieces of it say excel and other things too
    blinks to fast to be able to read it fully
    and it is a whole series of different related downloads

    what is microsoft doing to my pc?
    stealing data from excel ?
    putting data like cookies into my spreadsheet and then phoning it home ?

    since hotmail requires javacrap
    they could be doing anything to me and my pc

    does anyone know what microsoft is really doing ???

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    To answer your question:

    does anyone know what Microsoft is really doing ???
    NO! And you never will as long as you give them Carte Blanche access to your PC.
    If you don't trust Microshaft (and I don't) get away from them.
    If you were in a crowd of people and you knew that there were Pickpockets in the crowd,
    wouldn't you try to protect yourself, or even get out of that crowd?

    If you were my customer and asking me for help, I'd first suggest that you shut off Auto-Updates and then I'd
    offer to set you up with a new and much safer GMail account.
    I could even set up Outlook Express to pull in your email for you.

    I only say this, because I've done it over and over again, in the past year or more.
    My only goal is to keep my customers SAFE and Happy. The above procedure does both.

    Over and over again, we see people posting on forums all across the internet, that they downloaded a Windows update and then their computer was messed up or would not even boot.
    The easy solution to bad updates from Microshaft is to just shut off the Updates.
    Works for me!

    Something to think about. Eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho View Post
    To answer your question:
    NO! And you never will as long as you give them Carte Blanche access to your PC.
    If you don't trust Microshaft (and I don't) get away from them.
    If you were in a crowd of people and you knew that there were Pickpockets in the crowd,
    wouldn't you try to protect yourself, or even get out of that crowd?

    If you were my customer and asking me for help, I'd first suggest that you shut off Auto-Updates and then I'd
    offer to set you up with a new and much safer GMail account.
    I could even set up Outlook Express to pull in your email for you.

    I only say this, because I've done it over and over again, in the past year or more.
    My only goal is to keep my customers SAFE and Happy. The above procedure does both.

    Over and over again, we see people posting on forums all across the internet, that they downloaded a Windows update and then their computer was messed up or would not even boot.
    The easy solution to bad updates from Microshaft is to just shut off the Updates.
    Works for me!

    Something to think about. Eh?

    The Doctor
    thanks

    my pc is far from carteblanch for anyone

    may have to do that
    but big PITA as hotmail is set up to receive all newsletters and such emails that i dont want on my pc

    i understand gmail is even worse at stealing privacy
    and outlook express is so bad not going to consider using that pos
    plus it has other security issues

    autoupdates have been off for a long time
    firewall inplace and shields up say i am invisible
    registry and rootkit protection software in place
    plus others

    the only thing i have on is java to use hotmail
    pdf off
    activex off
    flash off
    yada yada its all off but javacrap

    and i do have a way to undo what the java stuff does if it was unfriendly

    i may have to set up my own email service at 1&1.com
    but moving all those subscriptiosn would be a major effort

    i cuold set up my software to dl the hotmail stuff via pop3
    which is a viable idea
    thanks for that suggestion

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    Apparently, vo.msecnd.net is updating your blobs!: Introducing the Windows Azure Content Delivery Network

    Do you perhaps also access hotmail from some other device, possibly an Android something-or-other?

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    Apparently, vo.msecnd.net is updating your blobs!: Introducing the Windows Azure Content Delivery Network

    Do you perhaps also access hotmail from some other device, possibly an Android something-or-other?

    Bruce
    wtf is a blob ??????????
    never new i had a blob -- whatever that is
    dont use cellphones or tablets etc

    just a plain pc with firefox

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    I agree that shutting off Auto Updates is a good idea. However...

    The conspiracy theory about MS and everyone else stealing data has zero basis if you already use credit cards, retail store rewards cards, and use the Internet in any capacity, even a limited one. In other words, there is already so much data about each and everyone of us in the hands of companies, big and small, public and private, that it would probably shock you to the core if you knew what they really have. Marketers have been collecting this stuff for many years. Google the following term: "target marketing pregnancy" and you'll find out just how much they really know about us. That coupled with the fact that its been proven that even databases scrubbed of personally identifiable data can be reconstructed with other data that's already freely available.

    So, yes. Do the basic reasonable things to protect from hackers and such. For the same reason you lock your house and your car. But no. I'd not be too concerned about any perception that MS is collecting personal data. The only protection from that is to cut up the credit cards, unplug the computer, lock the doors, never open the shades, and never ever leave the house again. Of course, no one really wants to live like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Brown View Post
    I agree that shutting off Auto Updates is a good idea. However...

    The conspiracy theory about MS and everyone else stealing data has zero basis if you already use credit cards, retail store rewards cards, and use the Internet in any capacity, even a limited one. In other words, there is already so much data about each and everyone of us in the hands of companies, big and small, public and private, that it would probably shock you to the core if you knew what they really have. Marketers have been collecting this stuff for many years. Google the following term: "target marketing pregnancy" and you'll find out just how much they really know about us. That coupled with the fact that its been proven that even databases scrubbed of personally identifiable data can be reconstructed with other data that's already freely available.

    So, yes. Do the basic reasonable things to protect from hackers and such. For the same reason you lock your house and your car. But no. I'd not be too concerned about any perception that MS is collecting personal data. The only protection from that is to cut up the credit cards, unplug the computer, lock the doors, never open the shades, and never ever leave the house again. Of course, no one really wants to live like that.
    thanks

    just cause i am not paranoid does not mean .....

    it just seemed strange that so many things were being shoved into or taken out of the pc when i signed into hotmail

    the screen blinks constantly and very fast
    and when java is off it does not happen (but email does not display either so i am forced to allow that stuff)

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    when java is off it does not happen
    JAVA. Well, there you go.

    "JAVA is the most distressing thing to happen to computing since MS DOS" - Computer scientist Alan Kay
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    It's not really Java though, but JavaScript, which is a bit different: Java vs. JavaScript: Similarities and Differences

    (Nor is it JavaCrap, as speedball is fond of calling it!)

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Brown View Post
    JAVA. Well, there you go.

    "JAVA is the most distressing thing to happen to computing since MS DOS" - Computer scientist Alan Kay
    actually i liked dos
    unix too

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    It's not really Java though, but JavaScript, which is a bit different: Java vs. JavaScript: Similarities and Differences

    (Nor is it JavaCrap, as speedball is fond of calling it!)

    Bruce
    i turn them on/off together

    to me they are useless crap
    biggest security problem that i have
    with no "benefits" that i want from using them

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    i turn them on/off together

    to me they are useless crap
    biggest security problem that i have
    with no "benefits" that i want from using them
    How? I think they're totally independent.

    Reading and deleting email is no benefit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    How? I think they're totally independent.

    Reading and deleting email is no benefit?

    Bruce
    i read and use real email with pop3 and no javacrap

    if i could find another good backup email then i would dump hotmail completely
    and use it instead

    you do not need any javacrap to make email work right
    ms does that to steal private info, shove ads in, do useless popups, etc.

    they cuold provide all needed function with html and no javacrap

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    i read and use real email with pop3 and no javacrap

    if i could find another good backup email then i would dump hotmail completely
    and use it instead

    you do not need any javacrap to make email work right
    ms does that to steal private info, shove ads in, do useless popups, etc.

    they cuold provide all needed function with html and no javacrap
    You're unlikely to find any webmail service which doesn't use Javascript to provide email functions within a web browser:

    Comparison of webmail providers - Features (see Interface script technique column)

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    You're unlikely to find any webmail service which doesn't use Javascript to provide email functions within a web browser:

    Comparison of webmail providers - Features (see Interface script technique column)

    Bruce
    thanks

    i guess i will just have to be careful to turn it off before i do anything else with the browser

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