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    The Return of BOB!

    Hello All,

    [RANT]
    Well my first impression of Win 8 DP is that Microsoft Bob has returned as a programmer as MS.

    Start to Stop was bad enough but got used to that. But now you have to hover your cursor in the bottom left corner, right click and select Search to Start just about anything from the Desktop. Give me a BREAK! I had to add the Snipping Tool to the Desktop so it wouldn't take 5 minutes to find it every time I wanted it.

    If any business in their right mind adopts this UI I'll be surprised. Productivity forget about it.

    Take notice when you set it up that MS wants your to "Phone Home" with just about everything! Also notice that the default for IE 10 is "Automatically Install Updates". Go to the About IE page and uncheck that box!

    If I had a small business I'd do my upgrading before this turkey comes out and then hang on to Win 7 until the cows come home. I'd also get a supply of mice and keyboards because if this tablet centric touch interface gets any traction they will also be a thing of the past.

    I thought the DP had enough problems but IMHO things have gotten worse much worse. This is a serious dumbing down, way down, of the OS/UI. The newest disease du jour will be "Swipe Finger".

    [/RANT]

    AH, I feel much better now, really I do nurse Ratched!
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    Hmm... MS Bob. Now that's scary! I'm not too enthused about the new interface for desktops, but it'll be great for tablets. As far as locking things down and configuration, nearly any company with more than a handful of machines already customizes a standard image anyway, things like blocking automatic updates, etc. So I see nothing there that bothers me from that stand point. Its far too expensive and time consuming to rollout a new OS every 3 years anyway, so most companies will be on 7 for a long time. Heck, many are still running XP. We're just finishing our migration to 7.

    I think there is a lot of merit to the Metro interface in a corporate environment. Quite honestly, as an Administrator, if I could lock the staff down to just seeing the start screen and give them only the apps they need to get their job done, it would make my life a lot easier. As far as being productive in a corporate environment, what more do people need than just the apps to accomplish their jobs? In other words, do people REALLY need a Windows Start menu and desktop with icons? Keep in mind, I am not talking about personal use by power users. I'm talking about 90% of the work force that uses computers to get their jobs done.
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    Chuck,

    I agree with you and then again I don't. Yes it does make administration easier and for the dingbat user it is a good thing to lock it down. Howerer, If things are locked then what about innovation! Innovation is what made this country great and IMHO is the only thing that will keep it that way. I know there are arguments on both sides that make perfect sense, depending on your perspective but personaly I'd rather restore a machine hosed by a user trying to improve things than lock that person out and turn that job into a mindless pushing of buttons. If the employee is any good they'll find another place to work and If they aren't well they won't be experimenting anyway. Of course this is getting pretty philosophical and deep...I need to go play with CP a little more maybe I can innovate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredGeek View Post
    I need to go play with CP a little more maybe I can innovate.
    You and me both.
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    @RetiredGeek. My sentiments entirely. I fear that the move towards tablets/and other touch screen devices may spell the end to the general popularity of the desktop with the inevitable rise in their costs...Yes, if all that is wanted is quick access to apps, then the new user interface is probably just fine...but anything beyond that is quite a nightmare (for me any way!) Have you tried getting to Control Centre from the desktop by a means OTHER THAN the bottom left hand corner "thing"?.....! (By the way, I'm typing this whilst browsing with IE10 in Windows 8 CP from within VMware 8...so I AM trying to get used to the software!)
    (My Setup: 3,70GHz Intel Core i7-4820K CPU; MSI Military Class iii X79A-GD45 Plus Motherboard; Win 8.1 Pro (64 bit); 16GB RAM; SAMSUNG SD840 PRO SSD (6GB/SATA III); Seagate 2TB Barracuda SATA6G HDD; GeForceGTX 760 2GB Graphics Card; Office 2013 Prof (32-bit); MS Project 2013 (32-bit); Acronis TI 2014 Premium, NIS 2014, etc). (UEFI-booted). WD My Book 3 1TB USB External Backup Drive)

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    Peter,

    When it comes to Win 8 CP I'd change your tag line to "If you don't know very much, everything seems messy!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by petesmst View Post
    I fear that the move towards tablets/and other touch screen devices may spell the end to the general popularity of the desktop with the inevitable rise in their costs...
    For many people, all they want is access to e-mail, social networking, play solitaire, and do a bit of web surfing. I dare say that this type of user accounts for the majority of non-corporate purchases. Tablets are perfect for these folks. MS is naturally focusing on those people. But the desktop is not dead, nor can it be eliminated. Lots and lots of software requires a lot more than a tablet's OS and limited hardware can handle. Serious video and photo work comes to mind, as well as CAD and PACs systems. Windows Server 8 Beta was also released this week. Its enhancements tell me that MS is still well focused on the corporate customer and as such, recognizes that the desktop is still very important, especially to the corporate user.

    Yes, if all that is wanted is quick access to apps, then the new user interface is probably just fine...but anything beyond that is quite a nightmare (for me any way!)
    Somewhat I agree. There are a few things we can do to make it better. I haven't tried yet, but I'm planning to install StarDock on Win 8. Which is what I have at home and use far more than the start menu anyway. But I also suspect that by the time 8 is officially released, MS may give back the traditional start menu.

    EDIT: Just installed Object Dock. It works perfectly. Start Menu? We don't need no stink'n Start Menu!
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    Chuck,

    I'm not a big fan of Dock type programs, personal preference, but I'll give it a try to see if I can get back the functionality MS has UPGRADED me out of for my own good.
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