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    Microsoft is watching

    I'm going to open myself up here, but I've got broad shoulders and can take any ridicule that might result. That said here goes:
    I came across a nude (full) photo, that was taken recently that was so gorgeous and so well done, that I had to have it. Yes, I did have the persons permission, as I know her.
    The photo was reminiscent of photos that one would find in Playboy circa the '60's. I uploaded the photo so SkyDrive, along with some other photos that I have had on there for quite some time.
    Yesterday (Sunday) my SkyDrive App would not connect. I was getting an error message. So I went directly to SkyDrive and immediately was hit with a pop up that said my account had been suspended for violation of their T.O.S. Needless to say I was shocked. I followed the instructions and sent an e-mail.
    I then went and read through the T.O.S., and was surprised to find that nude photos were not allowed on SKyDrive. Whoa! What I upload should be no ones concern but mine. Ha!
    This morning I received an e-mail and was surprised to find that the photo I mentioned above apparently triggered something, because it was specifically mentioned. The e-mail went on to say: "This is just an exampleof a photo considered to be inappropriate. Please review all of your photos andremove any that violate our policy. Some examples of what isn’t permittedinclude pictures of babies or small children where genitalia is exposed, orpictures of children or adults that depict any partial or full nudity."

    No, I don't have any baby or small children, that is just sick! But I do of the other, and they are all tasteful. Not pornographic by any means. So, I guess pictures that I have of women breat feeding would be deemed innapropriate too?
    I do intend to contact Microsoft personally about this. Yea I know Good Luck with that...
    And here I thought Google was intrusive beyond the norm!

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    Hard to complain about a free service. As my father used to tell me "As long as you're living under my roof, you follow my rules". Microsoft is free to make any rules they wish and if you don't agree, you are free to go elsewhere. personally, I find these rules much more tolerable than Google's data sharing with advertisers.
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    Yeah they're watching, always have been, always will.

    I'm completely ignorant of any kinf of social media and had to look up what SkyDrive is
    You probably would have been OK if it were not hosted on the publicly shared files listing, assuming that is what you've done with the photo.

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    If you had your photo shared publicly, it really doesn't look strange, sorry. I would worry if the photo was not public.

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    The caveat of the public "cloud" is that even if you think your stuff is private, the employees of the hosting service can look at your stuff under the guise of protecting your data. The only services I know that this can't happen are those that encrypt your data AND do not hold the private key to it. https://spideroak.com/ is one such service.
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    Use this service instead. They also give you 50GB free: http://www.adrive.com/personal_basic

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    This has been ongoing debate for many years.
    I don't use social media but I have my own site and am free to do whatever and post whatever I want there...I make the rules.

    If anyone doesn't like the constraints of social media or other sites that allow your content then start your own website..
    It's easy, cheap and you do the censoring..
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    An update to this. Microsoft went public on the way they deal with nudity in skydrive contents. Seems the policy is less strict now.

    "I can tell you what we actually do here (how we technically implement our policy).
    We don't really have any interest in what's in your private files. The only exception here is where we've stated what we have a zero tolerance policy for child exploitation and we proactively scan for content uploaded to SkyDrive using technology called PhotoDNA (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/presskits/photodna/). You can read more about this technology and what it's used for at Microsoft as well as at Facebook and now Google to detect these images and catch criminals.
    However, when you share your private files on the web, we do have an interest in making sure that the content you are sharing is not offensive in nature to the public at large. So we have mechanisms for people to "Report Abuse" in which case we'll review the content and ensure it's not offensive. We also have algorithms that attempt to detect "nude" shared content and disable sharing providing customers with a mechanism to contest that action. This is akin to "virus scanning" in that it's heuristic and therefore not perfect.
    But, the stated terms you quoted above from the ToS really applies to "Shared" content and not private content stored in your SkyDrive. Our view here really stems from the fact that we view SkyDrive as your hard drive in the cloud, and we believe it's important to behave that way (with the exceptions called out above)."


    This was taken from here, a reddit AMA with two SkyDrive team members: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...kmal_with_the/
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    WOW really? I suppose now I feel better that I'm not a user of social media! Of course I have nothing against it in general except maybe this kinda thing myself, for years I have saved this kind of pictures and I'm sure many would not pass the test for that kind of site. One of my oldest ways to save pics was in "Gmail" for example, and 5 gigs is a lot of space for anything ya wanna do. I guess I'm a little surprised that they took offence to the type of pic you described and Im sure if I posted some of mine that the "porn police" would be knocking on my door. I'm certain with a little investigation you can find a place and a way to "park" your pics on a site that doesn't object to this kind of picture, although I 4sure agree with the anti pedophile pics like most people. Good luck and "free" just aint always "free" and you get what you pay for.
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    I think you should send me those pics and I will evaluate them for proper content...
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    It's not just Microsoft. Apple, Google, Facebook ... and probably lots others do the same thing. A lot of cloud services scan your uploads for "pornography" and copyright violations, with the only differences being the thresholds of what they deem meets those definitions. Apple and Facebook seem to have particularly low thresholds and there are stories of them censoring photos of breastfeeding mothers.

    It doesn't seem to matter whether the Skydrive location is "public" or not. I had one client who tried to upload all her photos to a non-public folder in Skydrive as a backup strategy, and Microsoft flagged some boudoir pics she had taken of herself.

    A friend tried to email a zipfile to his daughter that contained an exe of a program, but gmail blocked it as a copyright violation--even though it was embedded in a zipfile attachment along with some other files. (It was a free program, but she wanted the older version instead of the new one that was on the net.)

    As some of the others have said, you'll either need to pre-encrypt your uploads or find a new service with more amenable TOS.

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    I don't want anyone looking into anything on a casual [monitored] basis so I password protect everything in zip files. Seems to work as there is sometime some nudity involved (ok, it was Jennifer Connelly from The Hot Spot) and I've never encountered any content flagging.

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