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    Quote Originally Posted by bobprimak View Post
    You don 't want to pay a flat monthly fee to Netflix or Hulu Plus, you say. But how much are you paying each month for all those iTunes downloads? I betchya it's more than the subscriptions.
    Not much. We get 0 to 3 movies a month. I control my expense by the download. So in a month where I have heavy bills, no downloads of music or movies at all because I don't even want to spend $5 on something I don't have to have. If I subscribe to something I pay whether I use it or not. With some things you pay a monthly base rate and then so much per use. I don't want any subscription fees I don't have to have.

    Everyone has their little ways of sacrificing to make ends meet. Your way is probably not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbug56 View Post
    There are huge numbers of online comments about how unusable and despised Win 8 is. Plus lots of articles. And it is frequently compared to Vista and Win ME, a continuation of the every other version of Windows that no one wants.
    Unfortunately the vast majority of people that have had great success with Win 8 do not write about that success. That is human nature, we complain when we don't like something, but stay quiet when we do.

    Compared with the numbers of people using Win 8 the complainers seem to be a drop in the ocean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Myers View Post
    Unfortunately the vast majority of people that have had great success with Win 8 do not write about that success. That is human nature, we complain when we don't like something, but stay quiet when we do.

    Compared with the numbers of people using Win 8 the complainers seem to be a drop in the ocean.

    Until a large national survey is done I don't think anyone can make too many claims about how many love or hate Windows 8. If and when they do one I hope they include age groups and occupation because I suspect the two groups who "love" it are 1. advanced or tech users and/or 2. Those under 30, and the younger the better.

    Maybe those who think the lounge is a forum to promote widespread acceptance ("love") of new operating systems in order to make sure more people and companies want to install it should indicate their vested interest in such promotion in a sig line and that would reduce the polarizing and repetitive arguing. On the other hand if they are just here to help others and discuss tech matters, not promote something, no sig line would be needed. Just a suggestion.

    Teens who use smartphones would probably not be bothered by Windows 8, At least according to teens I have talked to. I know one (age 18 and on the way to college) who even approves of the design - says the flat tiles accurately reflect Microsoft's image as a stodgy business oriented company. I did not argue his perception of Microsoft, it's his opinion. He does want to try Windows 8 on his PC (although he is equally at home on his Mac) and try out a Surface tablet. And his latest laptop - is a MacBook Air. Phone: uses Android Ice Cream Sandwich.

    Teens that I know are not stuck on any one operating system - they'll use whatever comes along that they like and then change when they see something with features more to their liking, and are equally at home with Apple and Microsoft and now, Google/android. It is not unusual to see them with all three operating systems on various devices.

    I think it is time to recognize that efforts to "catch 'em when they are young and make 'em a customer for life", which seems to be a big part of MS's strategy (just my opinion), doesn't work so well anymore. Teens are not dedicated to any one operating system as far as I can tell. They'll use whatever appeals to them or works best for their purposes, and drop it for the next thing that has a feature they need, no matter who makes it.

    That does not bode well for those who make their living off customers' Microsoft product usage, in my opinion. If it were me, and I expected to be working for the next 25 years, I'd be looking to diversify because when today's teens are in management in companies, and buying for their families, their decisions may be very different from the ones that are made today..

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    As here in the Lounge, Infoworld TechWatch (Woody Leonhard articles) has had a very large response (in the Comments) representing the Windows 8 haters and lovers (there don't seem to be a lot of fence-sitters). Read the Comments and enjoy -- it's either hilarious or tragic how strange the "logic" of both camps can get.

    http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-8-review-yes-its-bad-200113

    http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-8-yes-its-bad-part-2-200407

    (Regarding a few of the Comments posted in Part One: Warning -- "Faye Kane, Homeless Brain" is a porn-spammer. She uses the term Autistic-Savant in a truly abhorrent and exploitive way in her posts and at her fetish-porn website, the URL for which she seems compelled for some reason to use as her Infoworld username. Given that there is an email contact included in the porn-blog link, it should be considered a site which solicits for sex for hire, and Google should have been served with a take-down order long ago about that. But I digress...)
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    I am 60 and on comp, my wife is 58 and working full time in a university setting. Neither of us have ever worked for any PC manufacturer or S/W developer, etc. We have no "skin in the game" with MS or anyone else, other than the Lounge and other forums.

    I do love Win 8. My wife has just started using it. I started a thread here with her limited experiences so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medicted60 View Post
    I am 60 and on comp, my wife is 58 and working full time in a university setting. Neither of us have ever worked for any PC manufacturer or S/W developer, etc. We have no "skin in the game" with MS or anyone else, other than the Lounge and other forums.

    I do love Win 8. My wife has just started using it. I started a thread here with her limited experiences so far.
    Just read your thread. Interesting. And wow - you put in a lot of work getting your wife all set up and ready to roll. Most folks are not so lucky as she is and do not have a resident (or even a non-resident relative) tech expert to do all of that for them. So she is a very lucky lady, in my opinion. The rest of us just clump along the best we can and hope we don't run into a snag we can't overcome with our limited knowledge.

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    The changes I made were fairly minimal. Classic Shell was the biggest thing. The remainder of the things I have done since Win XP. The whole point of the thread was that Windows (all versions since XP) is highly customizable, and that, IMO, is the greatest draw to Windows over the others. Most of the time was spent installing apps including Office, then updating Office. I also made a total of 3 Images. One before Office, two directly after Office, then three when totally finished.

    I also installed 3 or 4 Modern apps from the App Store. She likes a couple of games.

    The point is with a minimal of effort an entire OS (Win 8) can be installed, customized, with all new apps installed and updated. What took a day or 2 in XP is now 3 or 4 hours work. Networking was automatic. Win 8 is a joy to install, and VERY easy to customize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medico View Post
    The changes I made were fairly minimal. Classic Shell was the biggest thing. The remainder of the things I have done since Win XP. The whole point of the thread was that Windows (all versions since XP) is highly customizable, and that, IMO, is the greatest draw to Windows over the others. Most of the time was spent installing apps including Office, then updating Office. I also made a total of 3 Images. One before Office, two directly after Office, then three when totally finished.

    I also installed 3 or 4 Modern apps from the App Store. She likes a couple of games.

    The point is with a minimal of effort an entire OS (Win 8) can be installed, customized, with all new apps installed and updated. What took a day or 2 in XP is now 3 or 4 hours work. Networking was automatic. Win 8 is a joy to install, and VERY easy to customize.
    Good grief! It took me *weeks* to find the ways to customize Windows 7 the way I wanted it! And I am not a beginner, either! It would take me a month to do all the things you said you did with ease with Windows 8. There is a vast difference between you and the average person. You do recognize that, I hope!

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    I think quite alot of Windows 8 customizations are, for the most part, already here in various threads in the Windows 8 section.
    Undoubtedly more detailed tutorials will start appearing as more of us move over to Windows 8 when it comes out.
    There are already a ton of videos on the internet that can provide some very usefull first looks on virtually every aspect of the OS configuration.

    And there will always be those here that will provide support and guidance to whomever is looking for it, after all, this is what we are here for.


    So don't stress, it's all good.

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    Medico, you posted that your setup for your wife is based on Windows 8 Enterprise. Most of us will be using the RTM of Windows 8 Pro, upgraded over (mostly) Windows 7. Reports have indicated that the Classic Shell may not be able to restore anything resembling the Start Menu in Windows 8 Pro. We may have to wait to see if this will be so, but your setup may not be available to most of us who may upgrade.

    Not that using Windows-X or right-clicking the empty Start Space in the lower-left of the Legacy Desktop Taskbar is that difficult. These two moves will pop up most of the old Start Menu items in Win 8 RP or the RTM. Including the Run and Run As Administrator commands. And the Command Prompt and Administrator Command Prompt. Lots of other useful stuff. The right-click is also a touch gesture. On the Metro-style side, All Apps is a right-click and a taskbar area single click to toggle with the tiles style Metro-style desktop. Again, one or two touch gestures.

    The Desktop Toolbar (really a popup menu) when enabled from the (Legacy Desktop) Taskbar, has numerous flyout menus which allow you to do almost anything without ever even using the old Windows 7 Aero-peek feature. Everything on the entire computer is there from one main menu. I'm still playing with all the things I can do from that one toolbar.

    So it isn't necessary to revive the old Start Menu in Windows 8, once you know a few little tricks.
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    Classic Shell version 3.5.1 was working fine in my Win 8 Ent. Eval. I have since upgraded to Classic Shell v 3.6.1 (released for WIn 8) which also works perfectly on our laptops. I also have a couple of toolbars. The Favorites Bar is on my taskbar as is my customized Shortcuts toolbar (I have a folder in My Documents that I place shortcuts to all apps I use regularly). These last 2 customizations were on our Win 7 OS's as well. The only change on my desktop that is different from Win 7 is Classic Shell.

    I could quite easily work with Win 8 w/o Classic Shell, I just prefer accessing Control Panel as a menu item on Classic Shell. Classic Shell also has a Tab (Win 8 Settings) that allows a user to Skip Metro (quickly switches from Modern UI to Desktop UI automatically) and disable the corner Hotspots.

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