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    Windows 8, the most secure OS?


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    I seem to recall there was a similar article elsewhere recently, which I think stated the proposition as a fact. Interesting Rui, that you add a question mark at the end of your thread title.

    Under the hood there are some significant improvements to security, but selling those to the average user might make a marketing man's toes curl.

    One of things I took from the article is that Windows 8 has the opportunity to be more secure than earlier Microsoft residential-grade offerings, but that is not guaranteed for the everyday home user.

    For example, much is made of the sandboxing of Metro (Win8 UI?) Apps, but many desktop and laptop users may ignore that UI for the comfort of the desktop. On the other hand, if the improvements to ASLR in IE10 are still implemented in the desktop version as well as the Metro version of, IE10 would still be arguably much more secure that previous versions.

    Another often quoted improvement is Secure Boot, which on paper is great. However, Secure Boot relies on a UEFI implementation and there are not many of those about in residential systems at present. Perhaps next year will be different, but UEFI and Secure Boot potentially give's rise to a whole new set of issues for diagnostics and boot CD's.

    Personally, I think Microsoft would do well to dampen down headlines such as "most secure" in the media outlets and find engaging ways to communicate the details and the dangers: As Apple recently found to their cost, pride comes before a fall.
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    Well, you can't really say it is the most secure until you see how it behaves in the real world. It looks promising, but you raise very interesting points. There is really not much to be gain with the Metro apps if most people choose not to use them.

    I think your departing comment is a bit unfair to Microsoft. They have made huge progress since the dark days pre XP -SP3. They have a secure development strategy and haven't been in denial, about the security issues, like Apple has. I would say I think I know you didn't mean it like that, but it does still sound a bit unfair .
    Of course, no system is bullet proof, but it is still good that things look promising also from a security point of view, for Windows 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruirib View Post
    I think your departing comment is a bit unfair to Microsoft. They have made huge progress since the dark days pre XP -SP3. They have a secure development strategy and haven't been in denial, about the security issues, like Apple has. I would say I think I know you didn't mean it like that, but it does still sound a bit unfair .
    Yes it probably was a bit unfair as stated. Microsoft have have made huge strides forward over several years now and I think most commentators and observers of our industry recognise this too.

    Perhaps it's my innate skepticism of all things to do with marketing gloss, but I tend to think that any corporation that spins a line on the security of their products is giving the headline writers of the future a head-start.

    These articles weren't written or sponsored by Microsoft, but I doubt they will be unhappy to see them. My line might be something like: "Improving on the solid foundation of Windows 7, Windows 8 sets a new standard for user security and privacy"

    Can I retain copyright over that last sentence please
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    I agree, that last statement would be much better, but seems too sensible for the tech press we currently have, I think .

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    A year on, and the German Federal Government is warning about "A Special Surveillance Chip", eg article by Wolf Richter: http://investmentwatchblog.com/leake...links-the-nsa/

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    It may have better security features than previous versions, but I have already had a couple of customers machines running 8 that have gotten the FBI virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Tech View Post
    However, Secure Boot relies on a UEFI implementation and there are not many of those about in residential systems at present. Perhaps next year will be different, but UEFI and Secure Boot potentially give's rise to a whole new set of issues for diagnostics and boot CD's.
    Microsoft requires of OEM's that any PC bearing the Windows 8 sticker with Windows 8 pre-installed must be UEFI/GPT with Secure Boot enabled by default. All retail OEM Windows 8 machines are UEFI/GPT Secure Boot.

    And indeed, not all OEM's are implementing UEFI uniformly (yes, ironically it is the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), and while Microsoft also requires that Secure Boot must come with the ability to disable it, there is not a specific requirement that Windows must boot with Secure Boot disabled. An hp laptop I'm familiar with will boot only diagnostics with Secure Boot disabled, with a prominent warning to that effect on the Setup Screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xunile View Post
    It may have better security features than previous versions, but I have already had a couple of customers machines running 8 that have gotten the FBI virus.
    Unfortunately the best security system in the world cannot protect every PC from the worst offender, the person behind the keyboard. Is it possible some of these 8 helped the virus along with their clicking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medico View Post
    Unfortunately the best security system in the world cannot protect every PC from the worst offender, the person behind the keyboard. Is it possible some of these 8 helped the virus along with their clicking?
    I am sure they helped it along

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    Quote Originally Posted by NanooGeek View Post
    A year on, and the German Federal Government is warning about "A Special Surveillance Chip", eg article by Wolf Richter: http://investmentwatchblog.com/leake...links-the-nsa/
    The German government on Thursday publicly denied a German newspaper report about an alleged "backdoor for the NSA."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    The German government on Thursday publicly denied a German newspaper report about an alleged "backdoor for the NSA".
    BruceR...

    Hello... Kinda reminds me of the official "GOV's" "magic bullet theory"...deny, deny, deny.

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    In a recent discussion with a Govt Security specialist, I was told that NO version of Windows has been secure since XP SP3.

    Whether the rumor of the message out of Germany is true or not, is pretty much immaterial.
    I refer back to my opening statement.

    So I run a "Package" of (5) good Security Software, run scans daily, and then hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho View Post
    In a recent discussion with a Govt Security specialist, I was told that NO version of Windows has been secure since XP SP3.
    This certainly needs some detail and context. What aspect of security does this specialist specialize in? Surely, Windows XP SP3 is not being held up as a paragon of security. Secure compared to what? Absolutely secure? Not capable of being locked down?

    This is like saying no car since the model T has been safe.

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    If said "Govt Security specialist" had said "No version of Windows has been secure" and let it go at that, it could certainly receive consideration as a truthful statement.
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