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    I'm definitely not calling from India. Can I take control of your PC?


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    YEA!!!! Finally!! Damn, am I ever happy to see this!!

    http://tech.ca.msn.com/us-charges-fi...on-computers-3

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    The take down didn't seem to affect the guy I had a call from yesterday.

    No matter how many crooks are taken out by these actions, there will always be others: people need to remain on their guard.
    In God we trust; all others must bring data.

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    Oh, yes, absolutely! People must remain ever vigilant.

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    If my phone rings and there is no number displayed I pick up the phone for a couple of seconds and then hang up. If it's a cold call they don't ring back.

    cheers, Paul

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    I used to pick up the phone and then leave it by the TV until they hung up.

    Holding it by a toilet flushing gave me a lot of satisfaction also.
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    I put the the guy on speakerphone while I am doing something else and let him give me has spiel. As soon as I tell him I have a Mac he hangs up. If nothing else I keep him occupied so he cannot try to scam someone else.

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    I used to say "WHAT" to everything they said..

    I don't get those calls any longer since I switched to Magic Jack.
    I kinda miss them..
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    These are mindful of Rachel from Card Services who has been calling me for a couple years. One of those "reduce your interest rate" credit card scams. Sometimes there is a message, most often not. If I pick up, I get told to press 1 to talk to an operator or 3 to be removed from our list. I've worn out the 3 on my phone. :^). I did press 1 once and got connected to a woman I told to take me off their list and she said, talk to you tomorrow and hung up on me. I've reported many of those calls to the FTC as I am on the Do Not Call registry. And a couple of times, I've seen news articles saying the FTC has reached a settlement with this company, whatever it is, and they'll cease and desist. The next day I get another call from a different number. If I'm home when they call now, I just pick up and hang up, and then fill out another complaint form. The FTC will never get all of these scammers - though I have only had one of the Microsoft calls, I did have fun with that one, until I got bored and told him I was a computer repair specialist and knew he was blowing smoke. He didn't like that and hung up on me. Not so polite when they're found out. And it is a crying shame people still get fooled by these criminals.

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    I just got a similar call two days ago. Since I had nothing else to do at the time, I let him start his script. When he asked me if I could go to the computer so he could access it to do the "repairs", I explained that I was currently managing a bot denial of service attack on the main Microsoft development servers.
    His answer was "When will that be done so I can call back?"
    Really?
    So I asked if he actually listened to what I told him was running and he didn't get what I asked, so I told him I run that round the clock until I have total control of all Microsoft operations and would not be available for some time. Then I hung up.
    He hasn't called back yet http://windowssecrets.com/forums/ima...s/rolleyes.gif

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    I got one these cold calls supposedly from Microsoft he started by asking me how my day was I told him I was having a bad day as my pet hamster had died, my car would not start, my wife had left me. I had burnt my dinner my... he cut in and informed me he could see my computer had a Vitus... I cut in NO, NO, NO I can't take anymore of this.. he cut in don't worry I can fix you computer...I cut in what about my pet hamster will you fix her? He said he could not fix my hamster...If you can not fix my hamster why...I was cut off lol

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    Useless

    The FCC is useless in these matters. They tell you to keep submitting reports because they look for patterns. That's crap. They have the originating number as reported by Caller ID and I'm told that number cannot be spoofed. The industry knows who's purchased that line. Nothing gets done. A pitifully tiny number of convictions ever arise from the efforts of the FCC.

    We send robotic missions to Mars with jaw-dropping accuracy, and yet no one on this planet can figure out how to stop spam via postal mail, email, text, or phone. Nothing boggles my mind more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djMot View Post
    They have the originating number as reported by Caller ID and I'm told that number cannot be spoofed.
    Although Caller ID spoofing has been illegal in the US for a couple of years, it's far from impossible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing

    Some services (e.g. in Canada) make it very easy: http://www.spooftel.com/

    It's probably easy via VoIP from India too.

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    VOIP isn't really necessary for these scammers. Without going into much detail, Call Forwarding and the primitive state of switching equipment in India, among other technical details, make Caller ID practically a joke, especially if the call originates from outside the USA. As posted above, the Do Not Call Registry is treated by scammers as a joke, and is legally practically useless.

    As far as I know, the FTC (not the FCC, which is not involved in this matter) has not established legal jurisdiction outside of the USA, and therefore only rarely seeks to regulate or stop anything originating from places like India (unless a US based company can be directly tied to the outsourced foreign company). Only US-based companies are usually prosecuted, and settlements, even though the dollars look large, are less than a sales tax compared with how much money these scams can bring in daily.

    Overseas Affiliates
    Jim asked a question that many overseas affiliates have been wondering: does all of this apply non-US companies? The answer was that it applies to entities “doing business in the US.” In scenrios when the FTC has no jurisdiction over the marketer who is located outside the US, they may/will go after the US-based company that is paying him/her, as any situation where a “part of the business or part of the transaction” takes place in the US, the FTC has jurisdiction over it.
    (from this article) While the article was about web-based scams, it could be applied to phone scams without too much imagination, I think. And things may have been clarified further since the article was posted in 2009.

    (If you heard of the FBI taking down MegaUpload, that Hong-Kong based company was recently informed that
    a foreign company violating laws within the United States cannot "evade the jurisdiction of United States courts by purposefully failing to establish an address here."
    according to this story. This may have further implications for FTC actions against non-US based telemarketing firms or other scammers not based in the US.)

    Don't expect any of these types of scams to ever be greatly reduced. Especially since many companies pay the phone company big bucks for the lines they use to make spam calls. It's like the paid advertising which goes through the US Postal Service, and which USPS is actually encouraging with special rates. Or again, the fact that Cable TV for which folks pay, has commercial paid ads on top of the Cable Fees.

    Whenever you are looking for why government can't seem to stop scams, always follow the money.

    So, the best we in The Lounge can do is, when folks post about these scams, or ask questions, give them the straight facts and continue to sound the warnings. That is our public service and civic duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    Although Caller ID spoofing has been illegal in the US for a couple of years, it's far from impossible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing

    Some services (e.g. in Canada) make it very easy: http://www.spooftel.com/

    It's probably easy via VoIP from India too.

    Bruce
    I stand corrected. Ironically, it was an AT&T representative that told me it was impossible to spoof a caller id. I guess that speaks to the honesty of AT&T representatives.

    Nevertheless, the rest of my post stands. It is inexcusable that we, as a society, condone - either by inaction or failure to strengthen communications networks - spamming in any and all of its forms. It poisons our lives and wastes our already tight supply of time.

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