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    New virus detection: How long does it take?

    The other day, I received an email, not important to describe it in detail, but I KNEW the attachment was a VIRUS.

    I decided to see if my MSE would detect it.
    I saved the attachment to my desktop, did a Right Click Scan of the file and it came up clean...It was a DOC attachment that contained two files...

    Soooo, I updated MSE did a another check and it was still clean.

    Anyway, the following morning, about 12 hours from when I received the file I updated MSE and it then DETECTED the file as a virus...

    So, all in all, it took about 12 hours for MSE to include it as a virus in the latest definition file for MSE...

    That seems pretty reasonable amount of time to wait for an updated signature to include the latest virus.


    Now children, the moral of this story is, if a file you d/l checks out clean, wait a couple of days before you open it...If you must open it at all..

    You may all go out and play now unless you would rather stay here and have me sing a song for you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post

    Now children, the moral of this story is, if a file you d/l checks out clean,
    wait a couple of days before you open it
    ...If you must open it at all..

    You may all go out and play now unless you would rather stay here and have me sing a song for you..
    Might be better changing the AV program.
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    Well RR, I really don't know if any others are faster updating for new viruses.

    I have AVG free running on my XP drive. I would like to get it for Windows 7 but the paid version is 29.95 a year...
    And the free version doesn't allow you to set the update schedule.
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    An alternative is to use software that does more than just rely on virus signatures. Although this article is specific to a product, there are similar variations supported in other anti-malware products: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/kb/articles/tec121016/

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    think the statement "you get what you pay for" is usually very apt.

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    Avast! free edition updates signatures (last time I checked) around 5-8 times per day. There's also Virustotal to upload it to for a check.

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    Thanks guys but the real question is, no matter how many times they update how long does it take before they recognize a new threat and create the update to protect from it..
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    That depends.

    3 hours, 3 years.

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    "You get what you pay for, in my opinion, means nothing.

    I have had plenty of paid programs that gave me more problems then their free counterparts.

    Because you pay for a anti virus program doesn't mean they will put out a signature update to a new virus threat any faster then a free program like MSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    Well RR, I really don't know if any others are faster updating for new viruses.

    I have AVG free running on my XP drive. I would like to get it for Windows 7 but the paid version is 29.95 a year...
    And the free version doesn't allow you to set the update schedule.
    Have a look at this, sorry it's so large. Avast Guide.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    "You get what you pay for, in my opinion, means nothing.

    I have had plenty of paid programs that gave me more problems then their free counterparts.

    Because you pay for a anti virus program doesn't mean they will put out a signature update to a new virus threat any faster then a free program like MSE.
    The antimalware I use, uses behavior blocking to supplement signature based detection. It's a top of line package well worth paying for, to which I add an OS firewall, which has independent protection of its own. It's paid, too. Neither relies on sigs (or just on sigs) to provide protection.

    Of course, paid products per se do not ensure the best protection, but it's clear to me that the best technologies regarding malware detection and protection are offered by paid products. It wouldn't make sense any other way, because free products, with the exception of Microsoft's (but you just need to see comparisons to see how MSE fares vs. other products), are offered by the same vendors who offer paid products. Obviously, paid versions should offer best protection than free, through different protection technologies.

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    I'll take a look RR...
    While I appreciate all the replies I think some replies are being made thinking I am looking for a solution..I'm not. I have plenty of security running real time and haven't been infected in years.

    The whole idea of my original message was to just stimulate a discussion on how quickly various AV software vendors react to the latest threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post

    The whole idea of my original message was to just stimulate a discussion on how quickly various AV software vendors react to the latest threats.
    It nearly did as you hoped.
    It might be a good idea for some kind individual with plenty spare time or even a younger member to start a new topic. .My security & how I tweak it'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    The whole idea of my original message was to just stimulate a discussion on how quickly various AV software vendors react to the latest threats.
    They will always react as fast as possible. Many do update several times a day. The problem is that they must identify the threat and add the sig and make sure legitimate products are not affected, so testing needs to occur, as well. That will always require some time.

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    Yes RR, that would be interesting.. I guess everyone tweaks to his own needs.

    Rurib, you're right, it does take time.
    Just gotta stay on top of these things, especially with all the new methods of delivering a bad package to your computer.

    Usually, if I'm doing a google search I do it sandboxed just in case.

    And Rurib, I'm sure you'll agree, a current image is always peace of mind in case something does slip through.
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    Everything I read hear talks about time only.
    Do you have your AV scan all attachments in your email when received?
    Do you have your AV scan all files while being downloaded before they are saved to the HDD?
    Or are you waiting for the AV to scan your system?
    How often is it scanned? Quick? or Total?

    Without this information your question cannot be answered, only guessed at.
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