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    Is going from a Win 8 Pro Upgrade back to Win 7 legal?

    I have a current image of a win 7 64 bit OS and apps on my PC. After doing a win 8 pro upgrade, if I decide I do not want to keep it, will my restored win 7 image be legal? My understanding is that Win 8 upgrades replace the prior Win 7 license. I have two original Win 7 dvd's and licenses to fall back on.

    Alternatively, if I set up a dual boot leaving Win 7 on my SSD,and putting Win 8 on a blank partition on a seperate HD, how easy/difficult will it be to eventually replace dual boot with just Win 8 on the SSD?
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    Yes, it will be legal. Windows 8 does replace the prior Windows license but that just means that you can't legally use the prior Windows version on another PC.

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    To add a little to what Joe has already stated, if you switch back to Win 7 using an Image you made, my belief is that you can not then use the Win 8 Pro license on another PC or partition

    For the second part of your question, first, did you purchase the Win 8 Pro upgrade version or the Full Install, OEM edition? This is important because you are not allowed to continue to use the qualifying license while using the Win 8 Pro Upgrade media. Upgrade Media means just that, you cannot continue to use the license for the original OS that you used to qualify for the Upgrade pricing.

    Secondly, leaving Win 7 installed, and installing Win 8 Pro can be done, but when you wish to remove Win 7 and install Win 8 Pro on the SSD you might very well run into activation problems as the reinstallation of Win 8 Pro on the SSD will look to be a second installation using the same key. This might be able to be solved by calling MS to get new activation info.

    My understanding is that to conform to the Eula, if you used Win 7 as the qualifying OS, and did purchase the $40 Upgrade Media, you can not dual boot Win 7 and Win 8 Pro.
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    Joe - Thanks.
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    if you switch back to Win 7 using an Image you made, my belief is that you can not then use the Win 8 Pro license on another PC or partition
    Ted, I believe that if the OP restores his Windows 7 image, he is free to apply the Windows 8 upgrade on another PC. It just can't be installed on two PCs or use the replaced Windows 7 install on another PC. He might have to call Microsoft and explain the situation if the product ID got registered in the first install but the upgrade should be good on any single qualifying OS.

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    Yes, he can apply the Win 8 Pro license to another PC if that PC has an existing OS that qualifies for the Upgrade pricing. I was thinking more along the lines of creating a second partition or adding a second drive to install Win 8 Pro onto. This OP had not mentioned the availability of a second PC.

    Basically the Upgrade Media the OP states he purchased, in order to be legally installed, must replace a qualifying OS (Win XP, Win Vista, Win 7). The replaced OS cannot be activated anywhere while the Win 8 Pro OS is activated and being used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medico View Post
    To add a little to what Joe has already stated, if you switch back to Win 7 using an Image you made, my belief is that you can not then use the Win 8 Pro license on another PC or partition

    For the second part of your question, first, did you purchase the Win 8 Pro upgrade version or the Full Install, OEM edition? This is important because you are not allowed to continue to use the qualifying license while using the Win 8 Pro Upgrade media. Upgrade Media means just that, you cannot continue to use the license for the original OS that you used to qualify for the Upgrade pricing.

    Secondly, leaving Win 7 installed, and installing Win 8 Pro can be done, but when you wish to remove Win 7 and install Win 8 Pro on the SSD you might very well run into activation problems as the reinstallation of Win 8 Pro on the SSD will look to be a second installation using the same key. This might be able to be solved by calling MS to get new activation info.

    My understanding is that to conform to the Eula, if you used Win 7 as the qualifying OS, and did purchase the $40 Upgrade Media, you can not dual boot Win 7 and Win 8 Pro.
    Thanks, Medico. Looks like I have to go all in with Win 8 as a clean or upgrade install over my present Win7 on the SSD. I assume I can change my mind a second time, and re-use my Win 8 Pro Upgrade (it is on a USB key) a second time on the same Win 7 partition on the same PC. Any issue with having to replace that SSD some day, assuming I can write a Win 8 backup image with apps, etc. to it? Or, at worst, I can first install a Win 7 image again before using the USB Win 8 again?
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    My questions related to my desktop PC. I also have a laptop running a separate Win 7 license. I know if I want to go with Win 8 on it, I will have to buy a second upgrade license if I'm keeping Win 8 on the desktop.
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    Sorry to hyjack this post but just want to ask one question of Medico.
    Can you use the upgrade version of win 8 pro to upgrade win 7 home premium or does win 7 have to be a pro version also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousclive View Post
    Sorry to hyjack this post but just want to ask one question of Medico.
    Can you use the upgrade version of win 8 pro to upgrade win 7 home premium or does win 7 have to be a pro version also.
    See Windows 8 Upgrade Paths for a Microsoft Technet article which should be the official word.

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    FYI: The Windows 8 Pro Upgrade available for purchase and download from Microsoft is a Retail upgrade version of Windows 8 Pro, which requires a valid upgrade path for installation; Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.

    Upon installation, the Windows 8 Pro Upgrade license (a Retail license) replaces the license of the upgraded OS, which means that having been upgraded, that original license is no longer valid, and that original OS cannot be used in any way (no dual booting).

    That being said, if one has judiciously created a full drive image of the original OS prior to the Retail Windows 8 Pro Upgrade, restoring that drive image in effect uninstalls the Retail Windows 8 Pro Upgrade from that machine. The machine has been returned to its original OEM licensing status. (The same can be said for using the manufacturer's system restoration to return the machine to its original out-of-the-box condition)

    Also, the previously installed but now uninstalled Retail Windows 8 Pro Upgrade is now available for use in upgrading a different machine with a qualifying OS.
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    Clive,
    You can install win 8 pro over Win 7 home premium. I've already done it.

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    Just to clarify - I will be upgrading my present Win 7 on my SSD using my licensed USB key boot up of Win 8 Pro Upgrade. At that point, that Win 7 product key is no longer licensed. After Win 8 activation is confirmed, I will do all the refinements I expect to make (e.g. adding an alternative PDF document creator/merger/repagination/reader app since the Upgrade Assistant says my Adobe Pro 8.3 will no longer work, etc.) When I'm satisfied, I will make a "ready-to-do real work" Win 8 image and keep it up to date. If I need to replace my drive, or have other reasons, I will restore that image on the same PC. I will be able to do that without starting all over with the original USB bootup.

    In other words, Win 8 image backups will restore to the same PC no differently than if I went back to my Win 7 "ready-to-do-real work" image, right?
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    Should work fine.

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    Ted, good evening and Merry Christmas. >>> you can not then use the Win 8 Pro license on another PC <<

    My feeling is that even if you tried, you could not. I think that WPA has evolved to the extend that when getting a key the new way, MS looks at your machine and "locks" it into that key. I experimented here and tried to load it on my Laptop using the Acer key, nogo. I really had to use the Toshiba key, which I had. I was only playing silly bugger. WPA has come up a few steps in the last year, methinks. What latitude there is now in this, I ignore. What if you changed a HD, increased the RAM or the vidcard or the Ethernet card. These all have signatures now and are easily "sniffed" and locked. What say you Joe ? Jean.

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