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    Win 8 Desktop and Win 7 Laptop Homegroup fail

    Other than the Windows Update issue that seems widespread, my Win 8 upgrade is working OK, but the Homegroup needs your help (I've searched and read the other threads here but no answers that fit).
    1. My Win 8 Pro (retail) upgrade over Win 7 HP (both 64bit) preserved my existing Workgroup. The desktop is ethernet to the router (D-Link DIR-655) and the laptop is wireless.
    2. As Woody says in his Win 8 book, a Homegroup coexists nicely within a Workgroup, and once set up initially by one PC, all are "equals" within the Homegroup without one being the "boss" over the other.
    3. At present on each machine, Network and Sharing Center show "joined" to a Homegroup as well as being in the Workgroup. The Win 7 network map sees the desktop. Win 8 has no such map, but does see the laptop's shared workgroup folders. Access to these is denied due to a permissions problem (see second theory below)
    4. Also, both machines show all the libraries I selected for the Homegroup as being shared.
    5. However, clicking on the navigation panel's Homegroup on the desktop's File Explorer and the laptop's Computer shortcuts produces a "No other homegroup PC's are available right now".
    6. The Homegroup troubleshooter finds no problems to solve on either PC.
    7. Each PC can ping the other's IP address.
    The above conditions remain the same even after I went into my Advanced Sharing and gave full control to Homegroup users on every folder. When that did not work, I decided to delete all such shared folders under my workgroup, to see if they were interfering with the Homegroup sharing. That left the workgroup functioning essentially for internet access and wireless printer sharing, nothing else.

    I have two theories. The first is that Win 7's Homegroup Listener service will not start (another widespread Win 7 issue). The second is User name and password conflicts. For the first time in years since NT4, I'm logging on with a different user name and password to my desktop than what I use on the laptop, due to use of a Microsoft Account logon choice I made when installing Win 8. I've tried to go into my laptop's Control Panel|System to copy my Win 7 profile over to a new one with the same name as my desktop, but of course that "copy to" button remains grayed out as it has been for years.

    If I create a new Win 8 local user separate from the Microsoft Account, with the same user name and password as my laptop, will I have to reinstall all my apps again? Other ideas?
    Last edited by haybarn; 2012-12-27 at 17:40.
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    Try deleting the Homegroup on both computers and then recreate them.

    Jerry

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    Hi haybarn, I had trouble setting my 2 pc's to get Homegroup to work. Here's how I did it. File sharing.pdf
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    Roderunner - I thought Homegroups were supposed to be easy, without all the advanced sharing and permission settings otherwise needed! Your methods speak to that, but I'm having trouble convincing myself to flow all kinds of sensitive business data on my laptop into Public Libraries (Method 1) and I don't think Method 2 will work on a mixed Win 8 and Win 7 network. Win 7 allows a Home network choice, but no Microsoft Account logon. Win 8 no longer includes Home networks, and does allow Microsoft Account logons. These factors seem to set up incompatibilities (for example, even though both PC's are in the same workgroup, they do not have the same user names and passwords). Also, is your approach bi-directional? It implies accessing only one machine from the other but I may not understand.
    Win 10 Pro 64bit on Dell XPS12 w/ Intel Core I5, 256gb mSATA, 4gb RAM. Also self-built Asus Z97 Desktop PC, Core I3, Kingston 96gb SSD, Toshiba 128 SSD, 8gb Corsair DDR4 1600, CM 692II Case, Radeon R7 250X, Samsung 23" Mon w/HDTV tuner.

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    Jerry - I tried that and just about all the conventional solutions. Creating new homegroups using new passwords on both PC's does not change the result - neither PC sees the other on the Homegroup, even though both are shown as "joined". The fact that Win 7's System|User Profiles grays out "copy to" for all but the default profile means I cannot create a profile to match the Win 8 Microsoft Account name and password.
    Last edited by haybarn; 2012-12-28 at 06:43.
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    You really don't need homegroups for regular printer and file sharing. I am running Windows 8 Pro on my laptop and I did not change the settings for file and printer sharing on my desktop (running Windows 7 Ultimate) and I can access the desktop from the laptop and the laptop from the desktop. I am also using a Microsoft account on my laptop and I didn't need to create a similar account on the desktop (I do have that Microsoft account added as a linked ID on my desktop).

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    See if this Microsoft article helps :
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...-files-folders

    Also, try temporarily disabling any security software you have.

    Jerry
    Last edited by jwitalka; 2012-12-28 at 08:37.

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    Homegroups were classed as easy but not for the users like me and countless others who could not get it to work. My 2 methods only work when connected to my router.
    My methods were not set to be bi-directional as my Laptop is shut down when not being used.
    As my Desktop was ON 24/7 I could access the Public folders & the 'Shared' folder but nothing else. I don't use any office equipment or a printer.
    All I used Method 2 for, was to transfer files between pc's as I was too lazy to put them onto a thumb drive.
    I no longer use either method, instead I put items I need access to from any location into SkyDrive.
    O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!

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