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    Need new HD & Win XP

    An old pc I have devoted to an audio function (Cakewalk Pyro) which runs soley on XP recently failed to boot up with an error message: "Disc Boot Failure, Insert System Disc and Press Enter" & "Non-System Disk or Disk error, press any key to conmtinue". I had retired this pc to this sole function since I had a suspicion the HD was soon to fail. I could not boot into wiondows and my recovery discs seemed to not work at this point.

    I removed the HD and we tested it on a device my son has. We plugged it in to the device via IDE and power and then to a new pc of mine via USB. He uses the device to recover info from HDs. However, we could not see the HD so we have further evidence it has died (my guess).

    Here is my pc: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...rtTaskId=22479

    Here is the motherboard: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...c00378480#N424

    And here is my question.

    I need this software in my work so I want to revive my pc via my recovery discs if at all possible (I am just a pc novice). Can I get a new SATA HD even tho I suspect the motherboard SATA ports are SATA 1 ("Each connector supports 1 serial ATA-150 disk drive"). The dead HD was connected via IDE. Are these even available?

    Also there are two SATA ports on my motherboard, one black and one white. Is ther a difference? Is the white faster?

    Any help is much appreciated in advance! I use the software to compile CDs to Red Book specifications for CD duplication and it is only full featured in XP.

    Robby K

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    The dead HD was connected via IDE. Are these even available?
    Yes you can still find them, but they are becoming more and more rare as the tech is antiquated.

    IDE Ultra ATA133
    IDE Ultra ATA100

    The SATA ports on your motherboard would be a better alternative imo.

    Also there are two SATA ports on my motherboard, one black and one white. Is there a difference? Is the white faster?
    You have 2 SATA ports on your motherboard. You should use them instead of the IDE ports.
    You could keep the IDE for CD/DVD ROM devices. (Even they are becoming rare)
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    Sounds good and thanks for the info. It's good to have an answer from a real expert!

    I'll get a new HD and I hope all will be well restoring my XP

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    If you get a SATA disk you may not be able to boot after recovering the data because you may not have the drivers loaded. I would buy an IDE disk and recover to that unless you intend to re-build the machine from scratch. If you can borrow a SATA disk you can test this, but you may need to re-load Windows after the recovery to set the SATA disk as the boot device.

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    DRIVE IMAGING
    Invest a little time and energy in a well thought out BACKUP regimen and you will have minimal down time, and headache.

    Build your own system; get everything you want and nothing you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T View Post
    If you get a SATA disk you may not be able to boot after recovering the data because you may not have the drivers loaded. I would buy an IDE disk and recover to that unless you intend to re-build the machine from scratch. If you can borrow a SATA disk you can test this, but you may need to re-load Windows after the recovery to set the SATA disk as the boot device.

    cheers, Paul
    Thanks Paul, for the caveat, however I am not sure I understand. Recovery is kind of new to me.

    After I install the Sata drive and use the recovery discs, you say I will not be able to boot because the drivers for the HD are not loaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiNT View Post
    Thanks Clint, the pc has no floppy and is an AMD, does that disallow loading the drivers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiNT View Post
    Yes you can still find them, but they are becoming more and more rare as the tech is antiquated.

    IDE Ultra ATA133
    IDE Ultra ATA100
    I see these are refurbished but very reasonable. do you think they are good, is there one you would recommend, is 16MB cache better than 2?

    Thanks again, HD's are not my area of specialty along wioth a lot of other things

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    Almost any SATA drive will do, but you'll ultimately be confined to your computer's hard drive controller's speed.
    SATA drivers for XP
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    Thanks again Clint, I have perused how to slipstream AMD drivers for win XP, and that is currently beyond my skill set, so I think I will go with one of the IDE drives (I assume my recovery disc will furnish the drivers for these?). I have a client currently asking for a CD mastered for duplication so I hope it works; the Cakewalk pyro audio software is really nice in XP but less than full featured in my newer Win 7 audio machine.

    You all sure know your stuff! Thanks so much for the help! I knew I would get solid advice here

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    If the BIOS supports it (cheap ones sometimes do not, most do), there is a Controller setting, AHCI (SATA) and Legacy or IDE compatibility mode. If set to Legacy IDE or Compatibility mode, then a non-slipstreamed driver XP install or recovery disc will work just fine on a SATA connected drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F.U.N. downtown View Post
    If the BIOS supports it (cheap ones sometimes do not, most do), there is a Controller setting, AHCI (SATA) and Legacy or IDE compatibility mode. If set to Legacy IDE or Compatibility mode, then a non-slipstreamed driver XP install or recovery disc will work just fine on a SATA connected drive.
    Cool, I will check this later this morning, thanks for the tip!

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    As I understand things, your hard drive is bad, and you want to recover the data off of it. In fact, it has been shown to be bad in more than one computer.

    I'm not sure how you can recover the data off of the bad hard drive, unless you can somehow revive it.

    If you can find an identical hard drive in good condition, you could swap the circuit boards of the two drives. If the circuit board is the problem, then you will have revived your hard drive.

    If the problem is with the drive itself, and not the circuit board, then seal the drive in a zip lock bag and put it in the freezer for a few hours. Then take it out and let it sit for several hours. The change in temperature might loosen up the drive and allow you to copy the data off of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F.U.N. downtown View Post
    If the BIOS supports it (cheap ones sometimes do not, most do), there is a Controller setting, AHCI (SATA) and Legacy or IDE compatibility mode. If set to Legacy IDE or Compatibility mode, then a non-slipstreamed driver XP install or recovery disc will work just fine on a SATA connected drive.
    Shucks I did not find anything like that in the BIOS...under advanced, there was settings e.g. "Local bus IDE adapter" set to both, and "Onboard SATA-1 Adapter" set to enabled. also "USB Legacy Mode suppprt" set to auto. Under the Main heading, I expanded the IDE setting and found nothing but e.g. "Access Mode" set to auto.

    I suppose this means the BIOS does not support this.

    Well, I still have the IDE HD's pointed out by Clint.

    Incidentally Clint, I see you are in CA where my Bucky Badgers lost their 3rd straight Rose Bowl yesterday but on a better note, my son who is helping me on this is home for Christmas on a vacation from LA where he resides. He prayed for snow and we got 20" in a single snowfall. Whoopee

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    While I'm sure the SATA drive might work if all the drivers are installed and the Bios supports it, I'd suggest that for this "project" you apply the KISS principle and get an IDE drive of about the same size, or larger. Given your admitted lack of technical expertise, why complicate the issue of getting the system back up so it can be used for work related tasks. If you can simply throw another IDE drive in the bay and restore the system from backups, why would you want to upgrade an antiquated XP system for a single purpose if you didn't absolutely have to ??

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