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    DeFrag/Trim an SSD Under Windows 8 Disk Optimization

    This answer to a question about defragging/trimming a Solid State Drive running under Windows 8 may be of interest. It seems (if I understand correctly) that trim is normally done automatically, but you can choose to trim manually if you wish using Windows 8 "Optimize Drives". I note that by default, Windows 8 DOES include an SSD in scheduled optimisation. Should one disable this, or leave it "as is"? http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...3-4388bd6ee835
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    I would leave the default optimisation as it is if you are using an SSD on Windows 8.

    Traditional defrag is disabled in that optimisation (it has zero effect on read/write speed on an SSD and could in the long term result in additional wear).

    Trim commands are sent to the SSD only during idle times and the SSD firmware will determine when to implement the Trim - the OS has no control if, or when, the Trim is actually implemented.
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    Its included in the list of drives to optimize but under Current status it should read Optimization not available. As mentioned there is no point in optimizing an SSD and it can affect the lifespan of the drive detrimentally if it is optimized.

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    Its included in the list of drives to optimize but under Current status it should read Optimization not available. As mentioned there is no point in optimizing an SSD and it can affect the lifespan of the drive detrimentally if it is optimized
    As Tinto correctly pointed out, Windows 8 optimization will use Trim commands instead of the traditional Defrag and will enhance SSD operation, not hurt it. Leave the default setting as is for SSDs. They should not be disabled

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    Maybe we're looking at different optimization screens. For SSDs exclusively, doesn't matter if its disabled or not as long as the drive is being correctly identified as an SSD. Only platter drives are affected by that setting.


    optimize drives.png

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    @F.U.N. downtown. My installation of Windows 8 identifies my SSD and DOES make it available for optimisation (if clicked, "trimming" is performed). Nevertheless, I understand and accept that one should leave trimming to be performed automatically as, and when, firmware determines it to be necessary.
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    I wonder what the deciding factor(s) for that discrepancy is then. I was assuming TRIM is completely automatic and determined by drive firmware when it met certain criteria.

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    FUN, here's what my optimize screen looks like:
    Optimize.PNG

    As I said earlier, the Windows 8 defaults work fine for SSDs and will periodically optimize the drives via TRIM.
    See:
    http://www.ghacks.net/2012/08/19/why-weekly-defrags-are-turned-on-for-ssds-under-windows-8/

    Did you turn off defrag in the scheduler by any chance?

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    I've been trying to find out if interface makes a difference (mine's USB3) but I keep finding nothing definitive and opinions going both ways. Its leaning toward not TRIM supported though as at least a couple of SSD reviews state that it is not, but that since garbage collection works well enough now, the loss of TRIM is not significant.
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