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    How to Downgrade Windows 8?

    There is a thread on this forum about downgrading Win8 to Win 7 where everyone is venting about the pros and cons of each version. I am not interesting in debating, I am just interested in obtaining input on how to downgrade. I just purchased a new Samsung Series 9 notebook with Win8 and spent several days trying to get adjusted to it. I am sure with enough time and energy I would eventually figure it out but I have decided to downgrade to Win7 so I will not take the productivity hit at this time. The computer has Win8 Home Premium which cannot be legally downgraded but I have a full legal license to Win7 Pro that I purchased for the now deceased computer that this one is replacing so I have the legal right to install it here.

    The new computer has UEFI and is set up with secure boot plus it has various recovery and tool partitions installed by the manufacturer. I created a recovery disk to reinstall Win8 in the future but I was unable to create a disk image. I was able to get to the BIOS but despite various changes I tried to make I was not able to get it to boot from the Win7 DVD. A search of the internet on downgrading Win8 revealed a lot of confusing and conflicting advice. Some say you have to disable UEFI but others say UEFI is compatible with Win7-64. Do I need to delete the secure boot variables or can I just disable it? If I changed OS mode from UEFI to CSM and set my CD to the top of the list on Boot Priority Order why will it not boot from the Win7 disc?

    I have 30 days to return the computer but I would really like to get it working on Win7. I also want the ability to move to Win8 in the future if I find the time and need to do so.

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    Check with Samsung for the downgrade information. The manufacturers are supposed to be offering this info. I do not have UEFI or Secure Boot so I am unable to point the correct direction for those.

    During the interim, while awaiting exact directions on the downgrade, you can make your Win 8 more potable to you.

    Win 8 can be set up to be identical in look, feel and operation to win 7. It takes maybe an hour. My sticky on taking the scary out shows many of the things, but really just installing Classic Shell, then setting it to boot to the Desktop UI automatically and disabling the Hot Corners and you are almost there.

    These are my 2 desktops, Win 7 and Win 8. Can you tell the difference? (Don't cheat by looking at the jpg name)

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    In case you could not, the second is Win 8 Pro. They work identically.
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    'LazyTex',

    You know, I can't help but, express my feelings on this & sorry to anyone who doesn't like what I have to say or if I seem blunt.

    Downgrading is just that, going backwards, regressing & going to something lesser & frankly makes no sense. Windows 8 is better than 7.

    I have done several installs and set ups w/ clients & left them loving & understanding Windows 8 in very few steps & very few minutes.

    Let me pass on a few tips to that end for you...

    1. Make use of the menu found by Rt Clk @ the Bottom-Left Corner
    2. Enable the Desktop Toolbar
    3. Use the Charms Bar & know that it syncs to whatever APP or screen being used @ the moment.
    4. Enjoy the benefits & functionality of the APP Bar @ the Top-Left Corner.
    5. Create & make use of an Applications window on the Taskbar. This is the piece-de-resistance as it gives a familiar window w/ all applications (Store APPs & other apps) in 1 place & saves needing to leave the desktop to go to Start or WinQ.

    Thusly, I have had clients w/ Windows 8 installed & these things in place & understood and them flying around Windows 8 in about 1 hour. 1/2 an hour to install the OS and blah, blah, blah and 1/2 an hour of explanation & show-n-tell.

    Let someone help you learn how to enjoy & appreciate 8. It is worth not doing a retrograde. The former makes good sense, the latter, not so much.

    Here's another Windows 8 desktop... and Ted is right... when I was dual-booting 7 & 8 you couldn't tell the 2 screens apart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew1903 View Post
    Create & make use of an Applications window on the Taskbar. This is the piece-de-resistance
    Yes, most of us resist that piece.


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    Here's another Windows 8 desktop...
    Looks like a dog to me.


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    The OP asked "I am not interesting in debating, I am just interested in obtaining input on how to downgrade."

    Can I suggest that posters respect that wish?

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    Bruce, you're hilarious, thanks for the chuckle

    Not sure if you should speak for "most" people. I happen to know of many people who really like having that window.

    And sure can't fool you... yep, it's a dog, alright.

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    I would start by trying to assure the W7 install disc is good by booting with it in another system or, with safe boot disabled and booting with any other type of boot DVD/CD in that system. Once its determined the disc is fine then disable all boot possibilities except the optical drive, maybe try IDE compatibility mode as well if it still won't boot anything.
    If all fails you may have to look into constructing a USB boot disk to install or format the drive with and install W7.

    Of course you can also learn to live with W8 in desktop mode only on a non touch device relatively quickly by adding the Start 8 menu from Stardock and letting it handle start screen bypass. Stardock just released a new version that further defines usability to such an extent that it can be customized every bit as precisely as the Windows 7 start menu. I haven't seen the start screen for a month or two now and I can almost forget about all that "in your face" blinking scrolling and blatant banner commercialism.

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    That is sort of what I mentioned as well. While trying to figure out how to get Win 7 to install (from what I have read, the PC manufacturers are supposed to support this) Win 8 can be made much more useable by Win 7 users to the point it is hard to see a difference between Win 7 and Win 8, either in looks, use or operation.
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    Please stay on topic. This is not a debate on the merits of Windows 8. The poster asked how to downgrade, and it seems clear that he has read all the debate about Windows 8 and has made a choice. So, let's address the downgrade and the downgrade alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazytexan View Post
    I am not interesting in debating, I am just interested in obtaining input on how to downgrade.
    I found this link on the Samsung site for the NP900X1A.

    And this link for the NP900X1B. The process seems to be quite straightforward, good step-by-step guides with pictures, and it would appear that Samsung has Windows 7 drivers available.

    I'd be happy to assist if you should run into any complications. Be sure to backup any data you have, as it will not survive the downgrade.
    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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    I would certainly speak to Samsung. It's not clear to me in this situation if Samsung are under obligation to provide you with a Windows 7 licence key, or just supply the machine with whichever OS you require at point of sale, or supply you with a set of system restore disks for Windows 7. I have in the past often bought machines on downgraded licences, but always through an account manager and they always arrived with the downgraded OS pre-installed and a set of recovery disks for both OS's.

    Although the info linked to by bbearren is good and shows the correct method, it requires a new licence key for Windows 7. You have this already with your Windows 7 media, but no point in burning a licence if you don't need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Tech View Post
    I would certainly speak to Samsung. It's not clear to me in this situation if Samsung are under obligation to provide you with a Windows 7 licence key, or just supply the machine with whichever OS you require at point of sale, or supply you with a set of system restore disks for Windows 7.
    Downgrade rights are only available to Windows 8 Pro preloaded on a new computer at the factory, not Home Premium.
    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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    Well, there's no such thing as Win8 Home Premium, but I think I know where you are coming from.

    Either the OP thought it was...because it was not Win 8 Pro, or it as a typo. My guess is that it is Win 8 (i.e. not the Pro version)

    If, as is suspected, it is not Windows 8 Pro, then the OP will need to follow the instructions in your links and use up his spare Win 7 licence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazytexan View Post
    There is a thread on this forum about downgrading Win8 to Win 7 where everyone is venting about the pros and cons of each version. I am not interesting in debating, I am just interested in obtaining input on how to downgrade. I just purchased a new Samsung Series 9 notebook with Win8 and spent several days trying to get adjusted to it. I am sure with enough time and energy I would eventually figure it out but I have decided to downgrade to Win7 so I will not take the productivity hit at this time. The computer has Win8 Home Premium which cannot be legally downgraded but I have a full legal license to Win7 Pro that I purchased for the now deceased computer that this one is replacing so I have the legal right to install it here.

    The new computer has UEFI and is set up with secure boot plus it has various recovery and tool partitions installed by the manufacturer. I created a recovery disk to reinstall Win8 in the future but I was unable to create a disk image. I was able to get to the BIOS but despite various changes I tried to make I was not able to get it to boot from the Win7 DVD. A search of the internet on downgrading Win8 revealed a lot of confusing and conflicting advice. Some say you have to disable UEFI but others say UEFI is compatible with Win7-64. Do I need to delete the secure boot variables or can I just disable it? If I changed OS mode from UEFI to CSM and set my CD to the top of the list on Boot Priority Order why will it not boot from the Win7 disc?

    I have 30 days to return the computer but I would really like to get it working on Win7. I also want the ability to move to Win8 in the future if I find the time and need to do so.
    First thing to do here would be to look over your notebook's documentation on how to enable/disable boot to DVD/USB from your UEFI.
    Look over your notebook's UEFI documentation.
    You may also find info on how to disable secure boot.
    For any type of DVD/USB booting, fast startup should be disabled: Fast Startup - Turn On or Off in Windows 8

    Once you are able to boot to DVD/USB, you will need to create a full drive image of the entire drive, all partitions included, to an external drive.
    Being able to take advantage of the notebook's warranty may depend upon it.

    Then you will need a legal copy of Windows 7 to clean install from.
    Prior to installing Windows 7, ensure that you have pre-downloaded all the drivers you will need from Samsung.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazytexan View Post
    A search of the internet on downgrading Win8 revealed a lot of confusing and conflicting advice.
    Boy, you have got that right!

    Some say you have to disable UEFI but others say UEFI is compatible with Win7-64.
    Secure boot is a rather recent extension to the EUFI BIOS. Most EUFI BIOS don't have it.

    Do I need to delete the secure boot variables or can I just disable it?
    A friend of mine who has a MSI motherboard with EUFI BIOS and Secure boot had no trouble installing Windows 7, but when he updated to Windows 8 he had to disable Secure Boot.

    Not every EUFI BIOS with Secure Boot has Enable/Disable built into it, but If your motherboard has Secure boot, you need to disable it if you can.

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