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    Keyword(s) Alert

    Is there yet any facility in the Lounge Software for a user to post a set of keywords (as part of the user profile) and receive an alert (possibly using the existing email notification system) whenever a post is made that contains one or more of those keywords, or that keyword string?


    As an example, right now I'm interested in the Windows98 textstream object. I'd like the Lounge to alert me whenever anyone anywhere posts a message containing the word textstream

    Likewise, if anyone posts a message containing the string rundll rnaui.dll,RnaDial Test, or even any one of the words "rundll rnaui.dll RnaDial Test" I'd be interested.


    Supposing I consider myself an expert on GUI forms and INI files (I know, I know, ....), I might lodge "GUI" and "INI" as keywords, the better to be able to spring to assist a user and reduce the wait time for a response, or the better/sooner to be able to provide links to existing posts, cutting down the red herrings and dead-end trails.


    An extension of this facility would be the option to submit a request for off-peak or background searching for keywords, the results of each hit either being emailed as a series of messages, or as a single email message (better!) containing links (yay!!) to the found messages.


    "In any repository of knowledge, and paths to knowledge, the repository is always improved by improved search mechanisms. Look in the back of any text book to see why." (Chris Greaves, Nov.2001)

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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    That might get awfully busy if someone wasn't careful about the keywords they selected. I think you're going to have to settle for doing a search on all forums instead, Chris. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    >if someone wasn't careful about the keywords

    Oh, Charlotte, I can drum up DOZENS of objections and potential problems, but most of them can be countered by traditional safeguards.

    One could restrict the facility to one keyword, or three, or just to people who are above the level of Lurker (or Lounger, or Star, or ...). Let any alert expire (unless manually re-activated) after four weeks, .....

    Consider the benefits:

    I'm starting on "textstream". I search, like all good loungers, for "textstream", see nothing much of interest, and resign myself to the long haul of lonely development. Two weeks later along comes someone who has used textstream, make a posting, and suddenly neither they nor I are alone. Surely one of the main purposes of a message board is establishing contact between people.

    The keyword alert would promote such a movement.

    I believe that much of the basic machinery is in place (Search, Notification, off-peak processing).

    It seems to me that here we have an opportunity to expand the utility of the board, improve the timeliness of contact.

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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    Ah-ha!
    I think you answered your own question (or something)

    >>I'm starting on "textstream". I search, like all good loungers, for "textstream", see nothing much of interest, and resign myself to the long haul of lonely development. Two weeks later along comes someone who has used textstream, . . . .

    You make a posting / enquiry and include your 'keyword' in it.

    Two weeks later, along comes someone and being a good lounger does a search for "textstream" . . .

    If you are lucky, they will be an extremely good lounger and respond to your plea for assistance or whatever.

    Just think how much you will save on 'phone calls, global warming, etc.

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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    The truth is, Chris, that you're being lazy! You want the Lounge to do automatically what you can do yourself. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    >> The truth is, Chris, that you're being lazy! You want the Lounge to do automatically what you can do yourself.

    Thanks for your support. You are spot on.

    Since May 1967, I have adored computers as devices that can do things that I can do, but that do it faster and more accurately.

    When I started TEACHING people about computers, I used the premise "Computers are good at doing boring and repetitive tasks". In training people to record (and, if they like, to write) macros for desktop applications, I say "If it's boring and repetitive, write a macro", which for qualified people like you and I and the rest of the VB/VBA crowd is fairly obvious. I'll never forget the class in DOS Lotus macros who ganged up on me after the morning tea-break with a chorus of "writing lotus macros is boring and repetitive". Right then I taught them how to write DOS Lotus macros THAT CAN AUTOMATE THE PROCESS OF WRITING DOS LOTUS MACROS. Why not? It sure was boring doing all that slash-range-name stuff time and time again, and the no-op double-braces at the head of each macro, and the comment block with author and date, and so on. Best class I ever had.


    The bottom, as they say, line, is that when I find myself doing something on the computer, that the computer could do for me, and especially if it is something that is repetitive, it's time to ask why the computer isn't doing the work.

    Back in the good old days of text-based Bulletin Board Systems it was possible to write DOS batch files (attached) that could build a QModem script on-the-fly and automatically dial up the BBS and search the BBS database for files. Today we can't do that, because the text BBS are gone, and the replacement mechanism is Windows-based, requiring mouse-clicks and re-typing stuff. (do we have an icon for puke yet)

    That's a backward step. I'm just trying to drag today's computing back up to the level of yesterday's.

    Wanting a computing system to do automatically what I could do for myself is PRECISELY what computing is all about. I can't think of any other reason for using a computer that doesn't boil down to that.



    Whenever I find myself doing something on a computer that the computer could do for me, I'm in danger of being a slave to the computer system, instead of the other way around.

    My proposal for a BOT-like search agent, triggered by the arrival of keywords, ought to free me (and others) up to doing more/better research on solutions to MSOffice arenas. Every minute I spend navigating the lounge is a minute I don't spend in some creative activity that would be of better value. Or responding to an email from Kev.

    Evidence of this is readily available right here in the lounge: Some of us elect to have the daily digest posted to us by email, so that we can more efficiently (in our eyes) scan what's going on, test code, compose replies etc without the sometimes-agonizing delays in response when the system (Lounge, telephone lines, ISP whataver) is busy. The email digest and the email notifications are part of the solution. Email notification of a keyword popping up is just an extension of it.


    P.S. Lazy is the correct word, too. For years I've been telling people that I got into computers because I was too lazy to calculate inverses of determinants by hand. If I could program a computer to generate money, I'd do it, and spend the rest of my life listening to Billy Joel CDs and reading books by Winston S Churchill and Edward Hoagland.

    Love ya! Hit me with more comments. You're NEVER boring, and I hope I'm not being repetitive when I say Thanks for your support. You are spot on.

    Since May 1967, I have adored computers as devices that can do things that I can do, but that do it faster and more accurately.

    When I started TEACHING people about computers, I used the premise "Computers are good at doing boring and repetitive tasks". In training people to record (and, if they like, to write) macros for desktop applications, I say "If it's boring and repetitive, write a macro", which for qualified people like you and I and the rest of the VB/VBA crowd is fairly obvious. I'll never forget the class in DOS Lotus macros who ganged up on me after the morning tea-break with a chorus of "writing lotus macros is boring and repetitive". Right then i taught them how to write DOS Lotus macros THAT CAN AUTOMATE THE PROCESS OF WRITING DOS LOTUS MACROS. Why not? It sure wa sboring doing all that slash-range-name stuff time and time again, and the no-op double-braces at the head of each macro, and the comment block with author and date, and so on. Best class i ever had.


    The bottom, as they say, line, is that when I find myself doing something on the computer, that the computer could do for me, and especially if it is something that is repetitive, it's time to ask why the computer isn't doing the work.

    Back in the goold old days of text-based Bulletin Board Systems it was possible to write DOS batch files (attached) that could build a QModem script on-the-fly and automatically dial up the BBS and search the BBS database for files. Today we can't do that, because the text BBS are gone, and the replacement mechanism is Windows-based, requiring mouse-clicks and re-typing stuff. (do we have an icon for puke yet)

    That's a backward step. I'm just trying to drag today's computing back up to the level of yesterday's.

    Wanting a computing system to do automatically what I could do for myself is PRECISELY what computing is all about. I can't think of any other reason for using a computer that doesn't boil down to that.



    Whenever I find myself doing something on a computer that the computer could do for me, I'm in danger of being a slave to the computer system, instead of the other way around.

    My proposal for a BOT-like search agent, triggered by the arrival of keywords, ought to free me (and others) up to doing more/better reserach on solutions to MSOffice arenas. Every minute I spend navigating the lounge is a minute I don't spend in some creative activity that would be of better value. Or responding to an email from Kev.

    Evidence of this is readily available right here in the lounge: Some of us elect to have the daily digest posted to us by email, so that we can more efficiently (in our eyes) scan what's going on, test code, compose replies etc without the sometimes-agonizing delays in response when the system (Lounge, telephone lines, ISP whataver) is busy. The email digest and the email notifications are part of the solution. Email notification of a keyword popping up is just an extension of it.


    P.S. Lazy is the correct word, too. For years I've been telling people that I got into computers because I was too lazy to calculate inverses of determinants by hand. If I could program a computer to generate money, I'd do it, and spend the rest of my life listening to Billy Joel CDs and reading books by Winston S Churchill and Edward Hoagland.

    Love ya! Hit me with more comments. You're NEVER boring, and I hope I'm not being repetitive when I say Thanks for your support. You are spot on.

    Since May 1967, I have adored computers as devices that can do things that I can do, but that do it faster and more accurately.

    When I started TEACHING people about computers, I used the premise "Computers are good at doing boring and repetitive tasks". In training people to record (and, if they like, to write) macros for desktop applications, I say "If it's boring and repetitive, write a macro", which for qualified people like you and I and the rest of the VB/VBA crowd is fairly obvious. I'll never forget the class in DOS Lotus macros who ganged up on me after the morning tea-break with a chorus of "writing lotus macros is boring and repetitive". Right then i taught them how to write DOS Lotus macros THAT CAN AUTOMATE THE PROCESS OF WRITING DOS LOTUS MACROS. Why not? It sure wa sboring doing all that slash-range-name stuff time and time again, and the no-op double-braces at the head of each macro, and the comment block with author and date, and so on. Best class i ever had.


    The bottom, as they say, line, is that when I find myself doing something on the computer, that the computer could do for me, and especially if it is something that is repetitive, it's time to ask why the computer isn't doing the work.

    Back in the goold old days of text-based Bulletin Board Systems it was possible to write DOS batch files (attached) that could build a QModem script on-the-fly and automatically dial up the BBS and search the BBS database for files. Today we can't do that, because the text BBS are gone, and the replacement mechanism is Windows-based, requiring mouse-clicks and re-typing stuff. (do we have an icon for puke yet)

    That's a backward step. I'm just trying to drag today's computing back up to the level of yesterday's.

    Wanting a computing system to do automatically what I could do for myself is PRECISELY what computing is all about. I can't think of any other reason for using a computer that doesn't boil down to that.



    Whenever I find myself doing something on a computer that the computer could do for me, I'm in danger of being a slave to the computer system, instead of the other way around.

    My proposal for a BOT-like search agent, triggered by the arrival of keywords, ought to free me (and others) up to doing more/better reserach on solutions to MSOffice arenas. Every minute I spend navigating the lounge is a minute I don't spend in some creative activity that would be of better value. Or responding to an email from Kev.

    Evidence of this is readily available right here in the lounge: Some of us elect to have the daily digest posted to us by email, so that we can more efficiently (in our eyes) scan what's going on, test code, compose replies etc without the sometimes-agonizing delays in response when the system (Lounge, telephone lines, ISP whataver) is busy. The email digest and the email notifications are part of the solution. Email notification of a keyword popping up is just an extension of it.


    P.S. Lazy is the correct word, too. For years I've been telling people that I got into computers because I was too lazy to calculate inverses of determinants by hand. If I could program a computer to generate money, I'd do it, and spend the rest of my life listening to Billy Joel CDs and reading books by Winston S Churchill and Edward Hoagland.

    Love ya! Hit me with more comments. You're NEVER boring, and I hope I'm not being repetitive when I say Thanks for your support. You are spot on.

    Since May 1967, I have adored computers as devices that can do things that I can do, but that do it faster and more accurately.

    When I started TEACHING people about computers, I used the premise "Computers are good at doing boring and repetitive tasks". In training people to record (and, if they like, to write) macros for desktop applications, I say "If it's boring and repetitive, write a macro", which for qualified people like you and I and the rest of the VB/VBA crowd is fairly obvious. I'll never forget the class in DOS Lotus macros who ganged up on me after the morning tea-break with a chorus of "writing lotus macros is boring and repetitive". Right then i taught them how to write DOS Lotus macros THAT CAN AUTOMATE THE PROCESS OF WRITING DOS LOTUS MACROS. Why not? It sure wa sboring doing all that slash-range-name stuff time and time again, and the no-op double-braces at the head of each macro, and the comment block with author and date, and so on. Best class i ever had.


    The bottom, as they say, line, is that when I find myself doing something on the computer, that the computer could do for me, and especially if it is something that is repetitive, it's time to ask why the computer isn't doing the work.

    Back in the goold old days of text-based Bulletin Board Systems it was possible to write DOS batch files (attached) that could build a QModem script on-the-fly and automatically dial up the BBS and search the BBS database for files. Today we can't do that, because the text BBS are gone, and the replacement mechanism is Windows-based, requiring mouse-clicks and re-typing stuff. (do we have an icon for puke yet)

    That's a backward step. I'm just trying to drag today's computing back up to the level of yesterday's.

    Wanting a computing system to do automatically what I could do for myself is PRECISELY what computing is all about. I can't think of any other reason for using a computer that doesn't boil down to that.



    Whenever I find myself doing something on a computer that the computer could do for me, I'm in danger of being a slave to the computer system, instead of the other way around.

    My proposal for a BOT-like search agent, triggered by the arrival of keywords, ought to free me (and others) up to doing more/better reserach on solutions to MSOffice arenas. Every minute I spend navigating the lounge is a minute I don't spend in some creative activity that would be of better value. Or responding to an email from Kev.

    Evidence of this is readily available right here in the lounge: Some of us elect to have the daily digest posted to us by email, so that we can more efficiently (in our eyes) scan what's going on, test code, compose replies etc without the sometimes-agonizing delays in response when the system (Lounge, telephone lines, ISP whataver) is busy. The email digest and the email notifications are part of the solution. Email notification of a keyword popping up is just an extension of it.


    P.S. Lazy is the correct word, too. For years I've been telling people that I got into computers because I was too lazy to calculate inverses of determinants by hand. If I could program a computer to generate money, I'd do it, and spend the rest of my life listening to Billy Joel CDs and reading books by Winston S Churchill and Edward Hoagland.

    Love ya! Hit me with more comments. You're NEVER boring, and I hope I'm not being repetitive when I say that


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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    No, you just want the computer to pre-digest it for you. *I* don't want to be notified when a particular word pops up. Nor do I want to download a bunch of posts that have nothing pertinent to say about a subject. Nor do I expect Eileen to have to come up with a way to do something she's already told us can't be done. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> You're on your own, pal. You may have loved the BBS days, but I wouldn't go back to that for anything.

    BTW <img src=/S/puke.gif border=0 alt=puke width=60 height=15> is the icon you're looking for.
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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    Collect all the digests and run you own search engine on them at home. It would be far too server intensive to explore your idea here.
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    Re: Keyword(s) Alert

    Eileen,

    Just a thought here.

    I don't collect digests myself- I'd need a lot of Hotmail accounts to be able to collect and search on those. (I'll add my whinge here- they haven't changed their 2 meg limit since I joined 5 years ago- back then, that seemed waaay too much).

    If the search form used "method=post" rather than "method=get" (and of course, handling the parameters in the resultant search process), then any user who wanted to repeat a search could save the url from a search- into favorites, or into their own page as hyperlinks, or whatever.

    The change would be small; lounge resources would be small, as a user would redo any searches at random times, and not impose on the server at any particular time.

    I can see that this might be a useful facility to loungers.
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