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    98 to XP and back again

    Just a quick question .. ahem
    I'm about to upgrade from 98 to XP (see previous post, win 98 XP and peerless)
    I'm installing xp onto a new 20 GB HDD I've bought to install in my laptop.
    I'm planning to format in NTFS as I use in a NT comp. network.

    If I use NTFS and then have to revert to 98se because of problems with certain programs I have to use, can I reformat in fat32?
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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Yes, but you will lose ALL data that is not backed up.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Hi
    Ask yourself :

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Thanks Guys,

    To expand... I have all my current data on a 6GB hdd which I'm going to backup to my peerless drive.
    I'm also going to use the iomega migration tool to transfer my current setup onto another peerless drive.
    Whatever happens I should not lose any data. I then take the old 6gb disk out and install my new 20gb drive and do a clean install, and/or dual boot.

    If I do decide to do a dual boot how would I go about it ? BTW my network drives start at F: ( not that that can't be changed but it's NT terminal server and it would mean bringing someone in to change it )
    Currently I have..
    C: - hard drive
    D: - DVD/ CD
    E: - iomega peerless this is easy to change I know
    F: - network start up
    G: -network - dos programs used
    H: - network - dos programs used
    I:---- unused

    I'm unsure of the advantages of dual boot anyway... perhaps you could expand ?

    many thanks
    Jim

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Jim:

    You could leave your existing system disk in and install your new drive as a slave. When you install XP tell it to use your new hard drive. It will do the rest of the work to make your system multi-boot. Nice thing is that your existing drive will still be C:

    Why multi-boot? Mainly to continue to use hardware or software that is not quite ready for XP time.

    You can also easily change the drive ID for your DVD in both W98 and WXP. In W98 use Device Manager, in WXP use Disk Management. I usually have my CD set to drive R:.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Forgot to mention its a laptop, dell inspiron 7500. The drive I'm replacing is is the primary drive.
    It is possible to add additional drives in the second media bay, but that means losing the battery.

    It's on days like these I question the decision to use a laptop as my desktop replacement.

    If I installed the new drive and used a partition program to create separate partitions for xp and 98se, could I remove the 98 partition after i had everything working in xp?
    Would that mean a reinstall of xp on a reformatted drive?

    Does anybody have any ideas how to check if XP would recognise my advanced port replicator, Dell say that 98se is the best os for my comp. You know the story we're not supporting xp on this machine buy another one!
    There are no drivers for the APR using win2k or xp on the website, but could this be because win2k and xp already has drivers ?????

    Sorry for all these questions, I appreciate your time.

    regards
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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

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    If I installed the new drive and used a partition program to create separate partitions for xp and 98se, could I remove the 98 partition after i had everything working in xp?
    Would that mean a reinstall of xp on a reformatted drive?
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    You could use a program like Partition Magic to resize your partitions, however, in a multi-boot the NT loader is installed in the first (W98) partition.

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    There are no drivers for the APR using win2k or xp on the website, but could this be because win2k and xp already has drivers ?????
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    I took a look at the Dell site. They are pretty adamant that your system is not XP compatible *unless* it has been upgraded after factory ship. I suggest you run the Microsoft Update test.

    ...Darn. Lost the link to the test. Will send it to you shortly.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    The <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp>Windows XP Upgrade Advisor</A> can be used to pre-test your system.

    Be warned that this is a large (50MB) download.

    If you already have a Windows XP upgrade CD, "The Upgrade Advisor is the same tool that is used to scan your system for compatibility issues before you install Windows XP. " ie. Use your CD to pre-test.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    however, in a multi-boot the NT loader is installed in the first (W98) partition
    <img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2><img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2>

    NT Loader ?
    Do you mean XP would have to be the first partition
    If i installed xp and created 2 partitions and restore my current 98 setup to the 2nd parttiton would that work?

    <img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2><img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2>


    "They are pretty adamant that your system is not XP compatible *unless* it has been upgraded after factory ship"

    <img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2><img src=/w3timages/blackline.gif width=33% height=2>

    As for the system that shipped...
    inspiron 7500, p3 450mhz, 128mb ram, 6gb hdd.
    Assuming there was enough room on the hdd, I can't see why it couldn't be supported.
    I realise they have to cover themselves, but I was told off the record it should work.
    They would not be more specific as to why it was not supported.
    "*unless*" gives the impression that something would need upgrading !!!


    I ran the upgrade advisor tool ( on a promo cd ) and it reported the following

    "software that does not supprot windows xp"

    av recorder
    a firewall program
    caere scan manager 5.0
    intel PROSet
    Laplink for windows 95 v7.5
    software cinemaster

    The intel proset concerns me the most as this is the network adaptor software for the Advanced port replicator, as we've already discussed.

    I'm about to upgrade the ram to 384mb, more than enough to run xp.

    Perhaps I should run the advisor tool off the web as that will have the latest position!

    I have tried the dell talk support site but their board is just hard work, nothing like this one.

    Regards
    Jim

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    If your OEM says the "your system is not XP compatible " I would believe them. The lap tops have hardware that ONLY the OEM can and should upgrade. They are built to run one OS, that is why you so many different model numbers out there. Some of the software that comes with these lap tops will not run on a different OS.

    I did my beta testing of XP on a Sony PCG-FX150, came with Windows Me. I dual booted it and did clean installs of each build. It ran just fine except I did not have a modem (that was ok I am on cable), the battery charger did not work, DVD movie decoder did not work and etc. Since the release, Sony has released all upgrades I needed including a new BIOS. But remember that this machine was new current top of the line when XP was in beta.

    Since then my wife bought the same machine, but different model number, because it is XP ready, and will get a XP upgrade from SONY. Now that XP is released, the same machine with XP different model number, is on the retail shelf.
    <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/devil.gif border=0 alt=devil width=15 height=15>

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    Thanks,
    I take it that whichever upgrade advisor i use, it looks to the internet for the latest position anyway?

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    No. You must have W98 as the first partition. It can be bare bones but must exist.

    A good test setup for you would be.

    Partition 1: Win 98 Fat32. 2GB.
    Partition 2: Win XP Fat32. 4GB
    Partition 3: Data and possibly shared applications. FAT32. 14GB.

    Install all application software etc. to partition 3. This will be visible to XP and 98.

    Your system specs certainly look reasonable. I am running XP on a Toshiba 2590CDT notebook without problem (Celeron 400, 192MB, 6GB). Just had to download a few upgraded support tools and bios from Toshiba to get it to work. And of course, the usual upgrade nonsense of checking out 3rd party application compatibility.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    <hr>
    Perhaps I should run the advisor tool off the web as that will have the latest position!
    <hr>
    It is identical to the one on the CD.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    PS: I made the point of ensuring that my notebook was NT certified when I bought it. This gave me basic assurance that the notebook was going to be usable with future OS's. Not guaranteed but likely.

    This proved to be the case.

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    Re: 98 to XP and back again

    I feel a dark cloud descending over me..............

    Well thanks for the inputs, I've ordered a new hdd anyway cos there's no more room at the inn so to speak.
    They have confirmed warranty is not a problem after I upgrade the disk... they didn't mention any effect XP would have ( on the machine that is )

    I guess it wouldn't hurt to give it a go on the fresh hard disk and see what happens.

    Any last thoughts anyone ??

    Regards
    Jim

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