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    Is the recycle bin being filled up on another drive?

    I'm pretty certain I've seen this behaviour before when the recycle bin on drive D: for example becomes full, the recycle bin on drive C: is also affected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce_hyman View Post
    an internal swap drive, and a 3TB external backup drive which was added a month or so ago.
    Bruce,

    Hello... trying to understand ... Don't know what an "internal swap" drive is ? Also did the problem start when you added the "external backup drive"? .... Some external USB type Backup Drives have their own software imbedded, and have caused much grief for some loungers in the past Regards Fred
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    interesting questions, which is why i wondered early on about where the bin resides. (of course, after i thought about it for 30 seconds, it makes sense that it's just a logical folder spanning all the drives.
    the main HD is 1.5TB, partitioned by HP (afaik) into c and d----

    c: (912 gb free of 1.35 tb); program files, user files, temp.... (part of the physical drive that was shipped with the PC) - seagate drive
    d: HP system recovery (1.5 free of 12); boot, hp, preload, programdata (part of the physical drive housing c:\) - seagate drive
    e: HP recovery (1.3 free of 8); this needs further discussion - see below, because this is a real question mark.
    g: external backup (2.16 free of 2.72) - backup progs and data files - recently installed, replacing an earlier smaller external backup g:\
    k: internal swap (139 free of 141 gb.) this drive was the physical system drive of an older PC. I had formatted it and installed it in a spare bay shortly after first use of this PC about 2 years ago. (i use photoshop a lot, and this drive is to swap 50-75gb files as i change photos, to reduce traffic on c - old 160 gb samsung drive

    i dont think the problem started with the recent external backup drive. As mentioned above, about a year ago, i used a second spare HD (i formatted it first) in an external shell with freeware backup software to make a cheap do-it-yourself backup drive. When i realized it was too small, i tossed it and bought the 3 gig. but i cannot tell when the problem began, unfortunately. (i did disable the backup g drive for a day, and the bin still emptied. )

    now, the e drive is an interesting question that i hadnt looked at before. First, the dates indicate that it’s an ancient drive. With the exception of “HP_WSD.dat”, which was last modified in 2011, all the other files are dated from 1999 to 2006 (!!). second, i am not sure where it is physically resident. If it’s a partition on the samsung physical drive that k is on, then e is a complete waste of electrons.

    Is there an easy way to see what the partitions of each physical drive are? I am certain that c and d are on the hard drive that came with the machine; i installed k and g, which leaves e.

    So e may be irrelevant and possibly harmful. I have to open the box soon to replace the flash card reader (bent pin on the cf socket), so it’s a good time to temporarily disconnect k and see what happens to e. but there should be an easy software way to see where e resides - but i dont know what that way is.

    And, if i format or erase e, what else could i screw up because i didn’t “uninstall” the stuff on e? (obviously i would copy e to a flashkey before doing this last step...)

    So that’s a lot, but maybe it’s closer to an answer.

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    Is there an easy way to see what the partitions of each physical drive are? I am certain that c and d are on the hard drive that came with the machine; i installed k and g, which leaves e.
    windows explorer > right click on computer > left click on manage > Click on disk management

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    thanks!!

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    i was beginning to get optimistic... but the problem persists.
    i removed the paging hard drive (i was surprised to learn that i had not formatted a partition on this drive with an old windows operating system on it.) - so i though that somehow the second OS was causing a conflict with the recycle bins. the PC teased me for about 18 hours, as files went into the recycle bin and stayed there, like all well-behaved deleted files... and then, poof, the files are gone. so i am back to square 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce_hyman View Post
    i was beginning to get optimistic... but the problem persists.
    i removed the paging hard drive (i was surprised to learn that i had not formatted a partition on this drive with an old windows operating system on it.) - so i though that somehow the second OS was causing a conflict with the recycle bins.

    Bruce could you post a "Screen Shot" of your "Disk Management"? Regards Fred
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    Fred, hope this transfers. if not, i will email or dropbox it to you. disk management.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce_hyman View Post
    Fred, hope this transfers.
    Bruce,
    Hello... I'm confused ... Why is your OS C: not the Active partition? Why the G:? You can only have one active ...should be your OS Regards Fred
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    wow! this floors me. i have no idea why the toshiba backup drive claimed itself as an active partition! the internal drive hosts c and d - as you saw. when i disconnected the backup drive, the 100 mb "system" section on disk 0 became "active" and nothing else seemed to happen.
    when i plugged the backup in again, the 100mb SYSTEM segment changed to "system, active, primary" on 0; the toshiba ext on 1 is "active, primary partition". so i have two active areas, two primary partitions - one per drive - with nothing (else) strange going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce_hyman View Post
    wow! this floors me. i have no idea why the toshiba backup drive claimed itself as an active partition! the internal drive hosts c and d - as you saw. when i disconnected the backup drive, the 100 mb "system" section on disk 0 became "active" and nothing else seemed to happen.
    when i plugged the backup in again, the 100mb SYSTEM segment changed to "system, active, primary" on 0; the toshiba ext on 1 is "active, primary partition". so i have two active areas, two primary partitions - one per drive - with nothing (else) strange going on.
    Bruce,
    Hello... You can have an active partition on each drive ...EX: If they both have a working OS installed ... If there are only "Backups" on the G: there would be no boot info ...so it shouldn't be active... Have a look see at the "G" and post back ... Regards Fred
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    here's the root of the g drive. i don't see it as being bootable... g drive.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce_hyman View Post
    here's the root of the g drive. i don't see it as being bootable...
    Bruce,
    Hello... I would do the following steps ...

    1. Make a Full OS Image of each Hard Drive using a 3rd party imaging software (also burning the recovery disk) and storing them on a "External" ,Hard Drive or Flash drive etc. anything not G: Macrium Reflect Free is a good one....

    2. Remove the "G"..... Then using "disk management" make sure that your main drive set to "active" and that you can boot from it, without the "G" connected.

    3. See whats up with the Recycle bin without G:

    4. If all is well i would reconnect G: and remove that boot file and anything else that i didn't want ...If it shows up as Active again with both drives connected, i would then set the primary (disk 0) as the active Hard Drive. Regards Fred
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    Sounds very good, Fred. perhaps a shortcut - remove g: and test the recycle bin. if the problem goes away, we have the culprit. if not, maybe time to reinstall the o/s from d: (with guidance - ive never done that before!)

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    Just a thought on your original question: Many defrag programs have a setting that will cause it to automatically do a disk cleanup before it does the defrag. Check it out

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