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    Spam is a pain for everyone and just a reflection of our society I guess. About 2/3 of the mail I receive is spam.

    I use a Eudora to fetch my mail from a POP account. The ISP's mail server has a pretty awful antispam function that, unfortunately, you can't even opt out of. Every few days I check the spam folder to make sure nothing's been wrongly filtered. I have noticed that the ISP-side antispam does tend to make fewer mistakes if you regularly delete the spam folder contents.

    Client-side, I have installed K9 from keir.net which is a neat little antispam that works in the background. Once you have "taught" it to recognize what is and isn't spam for you, it is pretty much infallible. I have had maybe 2 "false spams" in the last year. Maybe once a week it will let a spam through, in which case you can easily re-classify it.

    One way you can stop all spam is to have it pass through a third-party gateway. I'm not sure if this is possible for personal use, but some businesses I know use a local company (mailinblack) that receives your mails, then sends out a confirmation request. If that request isn't answered, the the mail doesn't go through. The sender only has to reply to the request for the first mail to be added to the white list. Obviously, the service isn't free.

    If you have a lot of time on your hands, there is another way (doesn't always work). In the spam message header, try to find the originating URL and check who is registered as the owner of the offending domain (I use Hurricane Electric to trace them). Call them and tell them to take your e-mail addresses off the list. This has worked several times for me.
    If there's no useable phone number, go to their website home page and see if there are any e-mail addresses listed (contact@ info@ etc.). Send a message to one of them telling them you are fed up receiving their spam mails with a return receipt. Most times, you will see the return receipts come back with the company e-mail addresses of people to whom the message has been forwarded internally. You now have the names of employees (and sometimes -by deduction- the boss) to whom you can send an e-mail telling them to leave you alone.

    To avoid using your e-mail address in future on unknown websites, you can use a throw-away address from Mailinator or one you create yourself via your ISP.

    To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, "nothing is certain, except death and taxes.... and spam"

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    Since posting what I originally suggested for handling spam, there have been some modifications for completeness. I'm showing my original posting again, but modified for completeness so that there will hopefully be no questions as to what to do:

    How to Handle Spam


    1. Create a new Gmail account. (Gmail has the best spam filters in the world.)

    2. Rather than forward the emails in my problem account, I "pull" them from my problem account using Gmail POP3 access. (See
    https://support.google.com/mail/trou...=en#ts=1665119
    for more information.) The reason for "pulling" from Gmail using POP3 rather than forwarding from your compromised account is that it's more reliable. If forwarding happens to fail for any reason, it never tries again. If Gmail POP3 fails for any reason, it just keeps trying forever. Now Gmail will collect the spam in your new Gmail account spam folder.

    3. If you use client email software, set it up to access your emails from your new Gmail account. If you don't, access your email directly online at your new Gmail account.

    But here's the BEST part:

    4. Setup an account at http://www.knujon.com/ where they collect spam and go after the spammers to shut them down. (FYI: "knujon" is "no junk" spelled backwards.)

    5. Go to http://www.submanifold.be/triade/mis...n/gknujon.html and download the "StandAlone_gKnujOn.zip" file near the bottom of the page and set it up as per the instructions included. Each time it's run by running gKnujon.bat, this program will zip all of your spam in your Gmail spam folder, send it to Knujon, and then delete the spam in your Gmail spam folder.
    (Note: You will be editing the “gKnujon.bat” file for the specifics of the account you set up at Knujon and your desired options. Be sure to add the line “pause” (without the quotes) as the last line of this “.bat” file because it will allow you to see in a DOS window that everything works correctly each time you run this “.bat” file. To close the DOS window after looking that it ran okay, press any key on your keyboard.)

    6. Once each day, look through your Gmail spam folder and click the check box in front of any email that's NOT spam and then click the "Not spam" button. Gmail moves those emails to your Gmail Inbox. Do this just before running “gKnujon.bat” which automates the zipping, sending to Knujon, and deleting all emails in the Gmail spam folder.

    7. Run the “gKnujon.bat" file once each day. It runs very quickly. No matter how many spams you have, it will zip them into one file, send it to Knujon where they will take care of eliminating the spammers, and then delete the spam in your Gmail spam folder.

    Problem solved.

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    Just click the triangle with the exclamation point at the lower right corner of the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasjk View Post
    Just click the triangle with the exclamation point at the lower right corner of the post.
    Thank you! That was easy.

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    I liked (not) spam a lot more when it was still something you could buy in the grocery store and then slapped between two pieces of bread!
    Chop up spam and Velveeta cheese, put into a hot dog bun, wrap in foil, toss into hot coals (campfire when I was young, BBQ now) and Voila! Instant supper. :-)
    (Is it legal to use the fancy French word Voila! in relation to a spam sandwich? Don't they have food police or something?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sb06794 View Post
    Since posting what I originally suggested for handling spam, there have been some modifications for completeness....Problem solved.
    Thank you very much!

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    The only download for use with Thunderbird, that I have found, requires a "downloader" with attached "options" for "extras". I'd like to work through Thunderbird since it already has a Spam flag. Nothing worthwhile in life comes easily.

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    Further to the great post from sb06794

    Register your own domain name, which is cheaper than you probably think, then you can create a unique email address for anything you sign up to; this facilitates tracking who has been hacked and who has sold on your email details... then if (and when) this happens you can direct those spam targeted email addresses straight to the bin. + you never have to advise anyone of a new email address, if you change ISP etc, as the email is setup to forward on to your domain address.

    I have used this technique for about 7 years now (and other tricks like never posting your email address online for harvesting) and see only a few spam emails per week? Even with a family of five
    Although I am in no way affiliated or on commission, I can’t recommend this company enough for domain names etc because their service has been faultless over the years: Virtualnames
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinusF3 View Post
    The only download for use with Thunderbird, that I have found, requires a "downloader" with attached "options" for "extras". I'd like to work through Thunderbird since it already has a Spam flag. Nothing worthwhile in life comes easily.
    Have you seen this http://www.knujon.com/sendusspam.html#Thunderbird write-up on using Thunderbird to report spam to Knujon? I haven't tried any of the different methods for Thunderbird, but they should work.
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    Exactly the method I have been very successfully using, except of course for the knujon addition, which with thanks I will now add. Whilst Spam has increased through filters of late, using the method ensures that it does all seem to end up nicely in the GMail spam folder. Mostly Casino stuff nowadays & the odd Romantic advance fee stuff, typically though only a dozen or so a month. All the more for knujon, I guess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marp View Post
    If you have a lot of time on your hands, there is another way (doesn't always work)... Call them and tell them to take your e-mail addresses off the list. This has worked several times for me.
    Does this actually still work in the age of Internet anonymity? Cool. Here's an interesting story from the days when spam was delivered by phone:
    We kept getting solicitation calls from AT&T at our business. They became more and more annoying and tied up our workers during very busy times of our busy season. One day I answered while helping a whole line of people at a register. I asked the guy not to call back and hung up on him. He called right back and I told him never to call again and hung up again. He called right back and started yelling at me. I hung up again without saying anything and twice more before he gave up. The customers were very understanding when I told them it was AT&T. So I wrote a letter to the president of AT&T telling him what had happened and telling him I never wanted to hear from AT&T again, not even to apologize. Never. And you know what? I never did. Ever. To this day I know of no phone calls from AT&T or their contractors to our business phone. I don't know what list they put me on, but I sure would like to know who else is on it with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sb06794 View Post
    Anyone anywhere can just forward all their spam to KNUJON@COLDRAIN.NET.
    I'm not sure this works. I just tried it and my email bounced with the same error message as I get if I try to send a link to a friend's gmail account without a paragraph of explanation surrounding it. (Doesn't match some prescribed format or something like that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspacer View Post
    I'm not sure this works. I just tried it and my email bounced with the same error message as I get if I try to send a link to a friend's gmail account without a paragraph of explanation surrounding it. (Doesn't match some prescribed format or something like that.)
    I tried it myself in my Gmail account.
    1. I opened an email in my Spam folder.
    2. I clicked "Forward" which was in a drop-down at the upper-right corner of the email.
    3. I put "KNUJON@COLDRAIN.NET" (without the quotes) in the "To" field.
    4. I clicked the "Send" button.

    It worked perfectly and I didn't receive any bounce back. However, Gmail "thinks" forwarding an email in the Spam folder is a little strange, so it does give you this message near the top of the window at the time you click the "Send" button:

    Gmail Message.jpg

    Note: You will have to click on the image above to be able to read it. It's just an informational message. It's not an error.

    Stu
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    There is no easy way to clear spam. There are ways to reject emails that look like some template and then it manages to reject something you really wanted. Or you can accept only emails from certain URL's and it will pass thru an occaiaional piece of %$#^*)P(^$#, brown colored spam.

    There is something else you can try and it's called MailWasher. This is programming with an attitude. You can "bounce" emails and the spammers don't like pawing thru their emails for addresses that no longer exist. So bounce appears to the spammer as an email address that no longer exists. So when they get an email back because the address no longer exists, their program that receives their email sees that flag and automajically goes thru their address book and removes your address. Some times the spammer even will check a few additional times before their program deletes your email address. I think it's kind of fun getting the spammers software to do the work for me!

    For those who ignore what MailWasher does, you can start sending all such spam to their ISP and the ISP will get tired of that shortly and take some action. Of course spammers usually spoof the return address and then you send the spam to every domain in the email. It will hit the correct spammer's ISP.

    I used their free version for years and they don't seem to have that anymore. I've since purchased a lifetime license for US$59.95. I've probably used them for 20 years. They are in NZ and I have no business interest with them.
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    DOs and DONTs for combating SPAM

    This thread has covered the gammit of SPAM fighting techniques -- both NEW and OLD, GOOD and BAD. I have been a pro-active SPAM fighter since I first started using email some 30-years ago. I still have a "compuserve.com" account that is now part of the AOL free email. I rarely get spam -- no more than 3-4 per month total -- on all of my accounts including gmail, compuserve (aol), earthlink and my ISP's account.

    While most people will not be as proactive as I am, everyone can al least contribute to the battle against spam. Here is my short summary of EFFECTIVE ways to combat spam. Most of these ideas have already been expressed in this thread:

    DO:
    • BE PROACTIVE!

    • Keep separate accounts for business if possible and use DISPOSABLE email addresses to register at free game or other questionable sites.
      Earthlink offers multiple addresses as *random*@mypaks.net

    • Be vigilant about email attachments. There are trojans out there that will share your entire address book with the world. Often the malware will come from someone you know whose system has already been compromised.

    • Report spam using your email client or the website for the account. If you download to your client (I still use Outlook Express) you should consider "leaving a copy on the server" so that you can later go to the website and report any spam.

    • Make use of ADD-ONs to your browser or third party "interceptors" such as MailWasher. Many are out there.

    • If you want to do more, report spam to Spamcop, Spam@uce.gov, report_phishing.com, and the new (to me) knujno@coldrain.com. Most of these require that you formulate the forwarded email with complete HEADERS, so this method requires a bit more dedication.



    DO NOT:
    • PUT UP WITH SPAM, NOR CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM!

    • Use WHITE/BLACK lists. Whether you blacklist individuals or entire domains, you are not likely to make a dent in SPAM. And whitelisting virtually guarrantees you'll have to go through your spam folder friequently. Exception: Use a whitelist for Grandma with all the grandkids on it. Then you won't have to show her how to delete the spam or worry that she might send money to Nigeria.

    • Use "challenge response" mechanisms, which require that the sender ask to be added to your whitelist. These challenge emails add untold traffic to the web as every spam you receive will generate another email, which many consider just as bad as the spam.

    • Forward those "chain" emails to "all your friends" with dozens of email addresses shown. They are often designed to do nothing more than "harvest" all those valid email addresses. If you must forward one of those, at least be sure to DELETE ALL the email addresses in the BODY of the message. Better yet -- Delete the whole thing!

    • Reply to spam or use any UNSUBSCRIBE links in spam. They NEVER work, but will often confirm that your address is valid.

    • Use the PREVIEW pane, or if you do, then DO as I do and turn off AUTO download of images, etc. Links embedded in emails that download from illicit websites can harvest your valid email address this way. Better to download images ONLY if you trust the base message.

    • Use "OOO" (Out-of-Office) or any other autoresponder to tell the recipient that you "... will respond when I return...", especially if you are only OUT for a few days. If you are on vacation, either check your mail periodically or arrange for your colleague to do so. Autoresponders should ONLY be used to respond to INFO requests or other routine responses where the recipient is EXPECTING a particular auto response. Out-of-Office responses are just more JUNK in our crowded inboxes.

    • Use "BOUNCE" mechanisms, including the feature in Mailwasher, which try to send a FAKE response as if your email was not valid. These bounces don't work because the "sender" is rarely the spammer himself, and the sending ISP can't/won't do anything. Many ISPs now detect and reject such attempts to impersonate your ISPs mail sender. BOUNCES are just more JUNK on the web.


    A final note: One reason that your ISP's spam filter is better at detecting spam is because of multiple reporting of a given spam. Identical spam messages hit millions of inboxes. If only tens or dozens of people report them, it is relatively easy for the filter to catch future spams of that type. Your individual spam filter has to "learn" over several received spams, which is not nearly as effective. There are also third-party filters that attempt to collaborate among users, but they can't compare to the widespread watch that your ISP can attain.

    In a nutshell: TAKE precautions and USE your ISPs Spam Button! You, too, can acheive a nearly spam-free inbox. -RonR
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