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    Moving up to Windows 8.1 without an MS account




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    Moving up to Windows 8.1 without an MS account


    By Susan Bradley

    Microsoft makes it difficult — but not impossible — to run Windows 8.1 without a Microsoft account.

    There are ways around Redmond's demands, but only if you know the right path. Plus, solving other problems with the Win8.1 upgrade.

    The full text of this column is posted at http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/ (opens in a new window/tab).

    Columnists typically cannot reply to comments here, but do incorporate the best tips into future columns.

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    I have also noted that MS installs the upgrade to W8.1 under an another licencekey, and apparently the old one for W8 is not valid for W8.1.

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    Tricks and more Tricks...

    Microsoft will pull it off I am afraid. "It" being most if not all their Win 8 users will become and or have "an ad ID" in the brave new MS world.

    I have described the same tricks here and even though my customers are warned if they read the blog I write for them they still fall for the tricks.

    If I had more free time I would begin to evaluate (an) alternative(s) for those good souls that really only are on the internet and do email.

    Yes, such people exist in large numbers and MS makes them into advertisement force fed zombies.
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    The sfc command should have a space-- sfc /scannow. New users might try to run it without the space as it is printed in this article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlg63 View Post
    The sfc command should have a space-- sfc /scannow. New users might try to run it without the space as it is printed in this article.
    I was surprised, but it actually works OK without the space; I just tried it and it's running fine.

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    (You could, I suppose, gamble that Windows 9x will be out by that time, allowing you to bypass Version 8.1 altogether.)
    Windows 9x has already been released nearly 20 years ago. Time flies when you are having fun.

    9.x will be a whole different story.....

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    I'm actually writing in reference to Windows 8.0 instead of 8.1! I purchased an upgrade when 8.0 started selling to the public. It's been sitting on my desktop ever since. Where can I find the best primer within the Windows Secrets archives that will give me a good start on preparing & upgrading to Windows 8 from 7. Thanks.

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    Susan....

    A much less convoluted process to get around the "need" to enter your MS account in Figure 2 of your article......put in a bogus email and password. 8.1 will think about it for a second and then you'll get the option to continue with as a local account!

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    My Upgrade to Win8.1Pro was not a pretty picture and the encountered problems were not only restricted to the caveats you (Susan Bradley) have already mentioned.
    1) Via Microsoft Store, my attempts to download the Win8.1Pro Upgrade would continually get me to the 50% mark of the 2.6GB Win8.1Pro uprade and then it would start all over again and again and again.
    2) After 65GB+ worth of useless download attempts, I contacted Microsoft Technical Support. Over the next two days, Tech Support (level2) connected remotely to my PC in three separate attempts to push the Win8.1Pro upgrade to my computer. After over 5 hours w/TechSupport I had the ISO upgrade package on my machine.
    3) As you have indicated, during my first attempt to install this 'special' upgrade ISO package, I missed the grayed out "Continue using my existing account" box and used a Microsoft account to be able to continue the installation.
    4) On next boot, I realized that my older Win8.0Pro "Local User Account" had perished into some cyber-vacuum! Essentially, I had lost all my personal data and a new (and empty) networked User Account was what greeted me!
    5) I was fortunate enough to have created an AcronisTrueImage backup of my Win8Pro OS drive (SSD) 2-days prior to starting this arduous attempt to upgrade to Win8.1Pro.
    6) I was successfully able to resurrect my old Win8Pro with Acronis True Image and since I was able to burn this 'special' Microsoft TechSupport Win8.1Pro upgrade ISO onto a DVD, I started to upgrade for the second time.
    7) I could not continue the upgrade, yet again as JAgr has already posted
    I have also noted that MS installs the upgrade to W8.1 under an another licencekey, and apparently the old one for W8 is not valid for W8.1...
    8) After some additional digging on the internet, I found the following critical information from a TechNet site:
    NOTE: To install a client setup key, open an administrative command prompt on the client, type slmgr /ipk <setup key> and press ENTER.
    Windows Server 2012 R2 and Windows 8.1 Client Setup Keys
    Operating system edition KMS Client Setup Key
    Windows 8.1 Professional
    GCRJD-8NW9H-F2CDX-CCM8D-9D6T9
    Windows 8.1 Professional N
    HMCNV-VVBFX-7HMBH-CTY9B-B4FXY
    Pasted from < http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612867.aspx>
    9) Upon the successful installation of the Microsoft Windows8.1Pro upgrade (w/Media Center and using the above 2nd key) with my 'Local User Account' credentials; I was able to re-activate my installation using my legitimate Win8.0Pro key.
    NOTE#1: If you are able to get your hands on the Win8.1upgrade ISO, you can use the following FREE tool to burn onto a DVD
    burned it onto a DVD (using Windows 7 USB/DVD download tool <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool>), I used the following instructions: <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet>
    NOTE#2: Get the Real Start button functionality back on your desktop for Windows® 8!
    Classic Start 8 is a FREE application which adds a traditional-style start button to the Windows® 8 desktop taskbar. With full functionality just like in Windows® 7, Classic Start 8 brings back all the familiar features of a traditional start menu into Windows® 8, including quick access to the search box, control panel, documents, all programs and more! http://www.classicstart8.com/

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    In addition to ruining the UI, now MS wants to force users to create an MS "account" so their online activities can be tracked more efficiently. Unless MS does a radical turnaround with Win9, I'm afraid Win7 was the end-of-the-line for me. Since Apple is equally (if not more) predatory than MS, I'll probably be moving to Linux at home. (I don't control IT choices at work -- the boss can do what he likes.) However, if the pattern holds, Win9 might turn out OK:

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    WinRT – really bad
    Win7 – good
    WinVista – bad
    WinXP – good
    WinMe – bad
    Win2000 – good
    Win98 – good
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    Angry It IS Wonderful TO BE Unlucky !

    A few unlucky souls have run into an unanticipated problem with the Win8.1 update. Although their PCs had no difficulty running 64-bit Windows 8, upgrading to 64-bit Win8.1 failed. Apparently, some older CPUs are no longer supported by Microsoft. For example, a Neowin blog thread notes Win8.1 incompatibilities with some classic AMD processors.

    The Win8.1 system requirements page states: "To install a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit PC, your processor needs to support CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW, and LAHF/SAHF." If your CPU is among those not supported by Win8.1, Microsoft recommends upgrading to a new PC. But you might also try downgrading to the 32-bit version of the OS (which will, of course, force you to forego the extra RAM support provided by the 64-bit architecture).


    I will Say Again , Thanks Microsoft ! I just happen to be one of the unlucky even though Windows 8 runs just peachy on my system .
    I could go on and on about how I support the Big Micro but I suppose I'll have to suck this up for now .


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    Locked out of administrator's account

    After I updated to Windows 8.1, I ended up locked out of my administrator's account. There was no other account created on the computer so it became a huge problem. I was set up to automatically sign in to my account, so I suspect this is the same problem that was described in the article. After consulting a help desk where I bought my computer (that was no help at all), I called Microsoft's help line, which asked you to push a number if you were having problems installing Windows 8.1. Amazingly, I got through to someone in just a few minutes. The first person I spoke to realized it was beyond his level and upgraded me to the next support level. I spent an hour on the phone with a very helpful and friendly tech in India. Actually, I ended up helping him solve my problem when I mentioned that I had found an online article suggesting that I start the computer in safe mode. This ultimately took us to a sequence of set-up screens for 8.1. Strangely, through multiple restarts in regular mode, these set-up screens never appeared. Eventually, we were able to set up new administrator's accounts and passwords. 8.1 now functions normally. I should add that there was no charge for Microsoft's help.

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    My "UP" grade to Win 8.1 form Win 8 went like this: I went to the Microsoft store and went to download and install the upgrade at 2 pm. At 11 pm!! the download finished and the installation was ready to install. I was so tired I did not realize what I was presented with would spoil my life for a while by me entering my Microsoft account log in and password. OK, so I searched and found I could just create another account with a local account and its password, so I did, but all my documents and settings, favorites and all were in the Microsoft log in account. Also, many programs were no longer compatible, like the Google toolbar which worked fine in Win 8, but not with Win 8.1 and the new Internet Explorer 11.

    Short of me restoring Windows 8 from a complete hard drive image backup I made Oct 16th, the day before 8.1, and starting all over again, is there any easy way for me to get my old local account and password to work again? I dread the idea of having to do all that over again and following Susan Bradley's and other advice that I now know about upgrading with a local account instead? I wish I had not been able to go to Win 8.1 as easily as it went for me other than the very long download time on the first day 8.1 was available. Thanks for any advice here.

    By the way, unlike what others have said here, my registration key remains the same as it was in Win 8 ( as Magical Jellybean Keyfinder shows them). My Win 8 key is an OEM Dell installation.

    OK, I found the answer in the comment by member nsemrau of the attached link: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...in-windows-81/

    Thanks nsemrau and techrepublic!!
    Last edited by BobL27; 2013-11-07 at 21:00. Reason: Found the answer; IT WORKS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudoid View Post
    NOTE#1: If you are able to get your hands on the Win8.1upgrade ISO, you can use the following FREE tool to burn onto a DVD
    Windows 7 and 8 can burn an ISO to DVD without any additional software: Windows 7 and 8: How To Burn an ISO Image to Disc


    Quote Originally Posted by BobL27 View Post
    By the way, unlike what others have said here, my registration key remains the same as it was in Win 8 ( as Magical Jellybean Keyfinder shows them). My Win 8 key is an OEM Dell installation.
    I believe all upgrades retain the original key for activation. An 8.1 key is only needed for installation from DVD/USB.


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    With regards to local account vs microsoft account, Win 8.1 offers you the ability to disconnect your MS account from your user name via the charm Settings->PC Settings->Accounts. There is a disconnect link under your user name.

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