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    Microsoft pulls the plug on Microsoft Security Essentials for Windows XP


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    This article is a little overly dramatic and gives the impression of dooms day for XP users..

    There are plenty of free anti virus programs out there like AVG etc...

    And the idea of suggesting Microsoft should offer $29.95 yearly paid subscriptions for updates to XP is, in my opinion, absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard...

    For the price of about two or three yearly subscription fees you can get the latest OS..

    I mean, the world isn't coming to an end because MS dropped MSE..

    Of course others may think differently....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    For the price of about two or three yearly subscription fees you can get the latest OS..
    Bany,

    True IF your hardware will run it! That's a BIG IF since 8.1 (the latest) won't run on a lot of H/W that 8.0 would. HTH
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    That's true but the main reasons the article raised the alarm was because of MSE being discontinued and no more updates...
    It almost read like he was trying to put all XP users into a panic over something not really that significant..

    Like I said, there are alternatives to Security Essentials and security updates are not that big a deal if you only need XP for older hardware...Matter of fact I run XP on another drive for that very reason...

    All anyone would have to do is make a daily image, I do one daily, and that would cover any security problems if they arise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    This article is a little overly dramatic and gives the impression of dooms day for XP users..

    There are plenty of free anti virus programs out there like AVG etc...
    Possibly, but not necessarily for much longer:

    AVG Customer Services: "We do not have any plans set yet for the end of life for XP so we can't say officially what will happen at the moment."
    AVG End Of Support For Windows XP (No update in the last three months.)

    AVG's Michael McKinnon Explains Why You Should Ditch Windows XP

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    Well Bruce, I'm not saying everyone should keep XP...All I'm saying is that in spite of that dooms day article their are plenty of ways to protect XP for quite some time to come...

    Maybe not for the tech lacking people but for the more experienced users I'm sure they are not running scared and dumping XP yet.

    I hardly run XP any more and have been thinking lately of just putting it into the trash bin but only for the reason I have less and less use for it.
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    Dontch'all just love these people who say dump XP ?!

    XP works, it is stable, there is a wide range of applications and utilities, and I am nicely familiar with it. It is about now that people should be installing XP, not getting rid of it in order to do MS's debugging for them whilst they rush to catch up with Apple.

    The whole idea of major changes to operating systems is faintly ludicrous - it is the applications that need to advance, the operating system should be the invisible substrate, or at least changes should not require users to re-learn everything.

    I cannot see anything in Windows 8 which tempts me to go through a major learning curve, although I can see what is tempting MS - the money in my pocket ! Well hard luck, it is staying there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    That's true but the main reasons the article raised the alarm was because of MSE being discontinued and no more updates...
    It almost read like he was trying to put all XP users into a panic over something not really that significant..
    If one follows the TechNet newsletter and listens to Windows podcasts now for oh so many years, one gets the sense that Microsoft is utterly, and I mean UTTERLY exasperated by the "success" of XP. Everything they've tried in the last 4 years and 3 months or so to end XP has had minimal effect. Based on what I've read and heard I would have been surprised had they continued any support peripheral or otherwise (without recompense).

    Is there anyone still using XP left to scare? I dunno. The declining use looks like a steady attrition rate to me, no panic at all, and that's because XP works like a champ for those who are still using it, otherwise they wouldn't be using it. I haven't used any active security since AVG 7 updated to 7.5. I scan once in a while with MWB and update once in a blue moon or so without any issues whatsoever. I ended Microsoft's support for XP years ago.

    I work form large to small when emotion doesn't enter the fray and what one has to understand is that ending all support is the only leverage Microsoft has left at this point and it also solves their exasperation to a great degree, though they may wish the resolution was on different terms, because when almost 30% of all computers are still running XP, that's admitting defeat.

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    Thanks guys...It's lonely at the bottom...
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    I don't know about "works like a champ" for all those who are still using it. Many people are simply stuck at work because of inertia or one or more applications that won't run on newer versions of Windows. There are many reasons these applications still exist.

    Unfortunately, there is no way to tell the percentage of home vs. business users.

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    Well Joe, a lot of businesses don't want to upgrade because of the cost for the new operating systems and also the cost of incompatible hardware and software...

    In addition to the lost time while employees learn things all over again.
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    Yes, I won't withdraw "works like a champ" but I should remand that to those whose choice it is to still use XP. There can be many contrary experiences between XP and those still forced to use it for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banyarola View Post
    Well Joe, a lot of businesses don't want to upgrade because of the cost for the new operating systems and also the cost of incompatible hardware and software...

    In addition to the lost time while employees learn things all over again.
    I understand all that which is why I said there are many reason why these applications still exist. But it is also true that some businesses who will spend a lot of money on other tools and marketing ignore their IT infrastructure. They don't put a price on keeping obsolete software functioning and potentially obsolete hardware running even though both have been written off long ago.

    Additionally, they do not put a price on lost productivity by the same employees who must struggle with hardware and software which could be much better.

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    I am not a tech and and some times don't even understand all the tech talk.But I have followed Fred Langa for many years and trusted his word on what I used.
    But here is my story right now.I am old and now disabled and now poor.I still run my xp not only because I can't afford a new version and hardware etc. I am used to it and like it for what I tend to do online these days.Thank's to Fred I learned how not to be stupid where I roamed online.I have been using AVE for my xp with free version of MAM and keep everything on machine updated daily.Now would like like to know his idea on what to use for my computer.I don't have extra money to buy anything and my old desktop and tv are my only joy's these day's.I am only telling my story to say there is probably a lot of my type stories still out there. Those of us who love our comp's but don't have the money to keep dolling out to microsoft and other tech companies.I am off to see if I can find a statement from Fred on what to get now that is free.

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    Fred Langa - PC security after XP's official end of life
    Windows Secrets Newsletter Issue 415 2014-01-09
    On April 8, 2014, Microsoft officially drops support for its venerable operating system. John Foster is undoubtedly one of many Windows Secrets readers thinking through the ramifications of XP's rapidly approaching end of life (EOL).

    • "After reading all of the articles on XP's EOL, I wonder how vulnerable XP will really be after next April.

      "If we keep our browsers up to date, are careful about the websites we visit, and have current anti-malware software running, will we be safe using XP?"

    Sorry, no even with all those precautions, XP still won't be safe. Here's why:

    In Microsoft's parlance, "end of life" means that the company will no longer write and issue security patches for XP. Many of those patches fix newly revealed vulnerabilities within the operating system itself. But after XP's EOL, any unpatched security holes will go unfixed. (See Microsoft's explanation; the April EOL also applies to Office 2003.)

    You might think that all the major holes in XP have surely been found and patched by now! After all, XP's been out for 12 years.

    Sadly, that's purely wishful thinking. As of September's Patch Tuesday, Microsoft had released, just in 2013, more than 80 system-level patches and updates specifically for XP plus dozens of additional patches for XP-related ancillary software such as Microsoft Security Essentials!

    You can see for yourself. Open Windows Update on your XP system and click the Review your update history link (in the window's left column, typically under Options). Note how many new patches there are even 12 years into the game!

    Despite extensive patching, XP is still far from perfect. Given its age and the number of XP systems still in use, the OS will remain an attractive target, possibly for years to come. In other words, when Microsoft stops writing patches for XP, it'll be open season for hackers.

    Using good third-party apps and tools such as fully current browsers and anti-malware software will help keep you safe but only up to a point. They'll do little or nothing to correct fundamental vulnerabilities in the base operating system.

    There's also declining third-party support for XP. Few mainstream software vendors will continue investing in a dying market even if that market is still huge. Moreover, the quantity of tools designed for XP is in sharp decline, a trend that will only accelerate.

    There's no way to avoid the inevitable: after next April, XP will be far less safe than any of the more modern Windows versions. XP was truly great, but its day is done.

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