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    Where are all the internal linkages and references documented?

    I have a problem with an older pc that will take manual fixing.

    Plug and play is not recognising anything.

    I will have to go into the registry and put in the devices.
    Then point to the drivers somehow.
    Insert the drivers somewhere.
    And who knows what all other links and references windoze uses.

    Is this all documented anywhere?
    I have tried all the places I can find references too but still cant get the devices to work yet.

    I am really hoping there is just another one or two cross references that are needed if only i knew where/what they were.

    So, is all of this documented anywhere. Maybe in a developers kit that us ordinary people dont have access to??

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    What OS is installed on the computer?

    Also, what are the specs of the computer? How much memory, size of hard drive, brand name and model number, etc.

    If it's a name brand, such as HP or Dell, you should be able to find all documentation at their website.

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    i have never found anything useful at dell

    but this is a white box win98se box
    and the problem is microsoft windows documentation
    where does microslop hide things

    the hardware is fine
    something got deleted during a failed install
    i need to replace it

    i have a very similar but not identical win98se box
    that i can use as a guide andor to move info/programs from
    but i need to know what/where windows is looking for these things


    Quote Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
    What OS is installed on the computer?

    Also, what are the specs of the computer? How much memory, size of hard drive, brand name and model number, etc.

    If it's a name brand, such as HP or Dell, you should be able to find all documentation at their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    i have never found anything useful at dell
    If you go to support.dell.com and enter your computer's service tag or express service code, you will find all documentation related to your computer, including the service manual. That sort of thing has been available at dell.com for a very long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    but this is a white box win98se box
    and the problem is microsoft windows documentation
    where does microslop hide things
    Microsoft doesn't have much documentation on their web site. However, there are plenty of books out there which tell all about Windows 98SE. I'm sure you can find lots on eBay and Amazon, and maybe even in your local bookstore.

    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    the hardware is fine
    something got deleted during a failed install
    i need to replace it

    i have a very similar but not identical win98se box
    that i can use as a guide andor to move info/programs from
    but i need to know what/where windows is looking for these things
    Why not simply do a fresh install of Window 98SE? (Back up your drive first!) If you use the original disks which came with the computer, your drive will be wiped clean and brought back to original out-of-the-box condition. However, if you install a "generic" copy of Windows 98SE, your drive won't be wiped clean. But you will need to reinstall various drivers after the install, such as chipset, audio, NIC, etc.

    The following refers to the "generic" install: When you begin the install process, it will ask you where you want to install Windows, if you want to format the drive, etc. Don't format the drive. Do the install in the same folder that Windows currently is installed in (probably C:\WINDOWS). That will fix whatever is wrong with Windows and will leave everything else on the drive untouched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
    I have a problem with an older pc that will take manual fixing.

    Plug and play is not recognising anything.

    I will have to go into the registry and put in the devices.
    Then point to the drivers somehow.
    Insert the drivers somewhere.
    And who knows what all other links and references windoze uses.
    With 25 years of experience in writing Windows installation packages, I can guarantee that you won't be able to fix USB or other OS-related problems by making manual changes in the registry. Besides the dozens to hundreds of barely documented entries you'd need to deal with, there are entries that Windows won't allow you to edit.

    The only way to fix those problems is to reinstall at least the drivers, and possibly all of Windows as mrjimphelps described, using the official installers.

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    i have a ton of books i bought back when for just this day
    none of them addresses what i need to know

    three registry books taught me more than i wanted to know
    but not what i needed to know

    cannot do any install of any kind
    as the cdroms are dead
    and i do not have a pile of floppies to do it from

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
    If you go to support.dell.com and enter your computer's service tag or express service code, you will find all documentation related to your computer, including the service manual. That sort of thing has been available at dell.com for a very long time.



    Microsoft doesn't have much documentation on their web site. However, there are plenty of books out there which tell all about Windows 98SE. I'm sure you can find lots on eBay and Amazon, and maybe even in your local bookstore.



    Why not simply do a fresh install of Window 98SE? (Back up your drive first!) If you use the original disks which came with the computer, your drive will be wiped clean and brought back to original out-of-the-box condition. However, if you install a "generic" copy of Windows 98SE, your drive won't be wiped clean. But you will need to reinstall various drivers after the install, such as chipset, audio, NIC, etc.

    The following refers to the "generic" install: When you begin the install process, it will ask you where you want to install Windows, if you want to format the drive, etc. Don't format the drive. Do the install in the same folder that Windows currently is installed in (probably C:\WINDOWS). That will fix whatever is wrong with Windows and will leave everything else on the drive untouched.

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    i can NOT reinstall any drivers
    because the DEVICE IS NOT in existence accordign to windows

    i have to tell windows that there really is a cdrom
    then i can install drivers

    if i get the cdrom working then i could do an overlay install of win itself
    but i have to first convince it that the cdroms are there and they do work
    they work when i boot as they get checked but after that config omits showing them via any method utility or path i can think to use



    Quote Originally Posted by jjfreedman View Post
    With 25 years of experience in writing Windows installation packages, I can guarantee that you won't be able to fix USB or other OS-related problems by making manual changes in the registry. Besides the dozens to hundreds of barely documented entries you'd need to deal with, there are entries that Windows won't allow you to edit.

    The only way to fix those problems is to reinstall at least the drivers, and possibly all of Windows as mrjimphelps described, using the official installers.

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    if i could actually get drivers then i might be able to add new hardware

    but all i can find is installers that claim to install drivers
    and i dont trust taht any more
    that is what caused the problem

    and i am not sure that the alleged installer really has the right driver
    nor is it scumware i got from the internet claiming to be a driver



    Quote Originally Posted by jjfreedman View Post
    With 25 years of experience in writing Windows installation packages, I can guarantee that you won't be able to fix USB or other OS-related problems by making manual changes in the registry. Besides the dozens to hundreds of barely documented entries you'd need to deal with, there are entries that Windows won't allow you to edit.

    The only way to fix those problems is to reinstall at least the drivers, and possibly all of Windows as mrjimphelps described, using the official installers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedball View Post
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    i have never found anything useful at dell

    but this is a white box win98se box
    and the problem is microsoft windows documentation
    where does microslop hide things

    the hardware is fine
    something got deleted during a failed install
    i need to replace it

    i have a very similar but not identical win98se box
    that i can use as a guide andor to move info/programs from
    but i need to know what/where windows is looking for these things
    Perhaps it's time to move to something newer than Windows 98SE. Windows 2000 was a good, stable, robust product. You'ld be a lot more likely to be able to get things to work with Windows 2000 than with Windows 98SE.

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    that was what i was in the process of doing

    tryng to install an outboard usb HD so i could copy everything and move it to a newer pc
    that killed this pc

    and until i can get a couple of key aps working on a new pc
    i see no reason why this old 98se box wont keep running them as well as i need to do it
    photoshop and the scanner and printer are all on this box
    moving them would be a chore and also moderatly painful

    if i dont have to do that then i would rather keep running them in place


    Quote Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
    Perhaps it's time to move to something newer than Windows 98SE. Windows 2000 was a good, stable, robust product. You'ld be a lot more likely to be able to get things to work with Windows 2000 than with Windows 98SE.

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    Why not install a new hard drive? They aren't that expensive, and this will add years to the time before the hard drive fails.

    Put your old one in a static bag, and keep it in a safe place, in case you ever need anything from it.

    Then do a clean install of Windows 2000 on the new hard drive.

    In my opinion, Windows 2000 was the first modern version of Windows. Lots of stuff which struggled under Windows 98SE or earlier works fine under Windows 2000.

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    that is what i was trying to do
    but a failed install killed the cdroms
    they dont exist in msconfig any more
    cant install or reinstall anything till i get the cdroms back

    where does msconfig think it has cdroms
    if i can find that location i can tell msconfig that they exist again
    then install the driver
    and continue using the pc

    plug and play does not discover the cdroms
    what i need is the place that windoze keeps the cdrom knowledge to start
    and maybe a pointer to where the driver would be if just telling it that the cdroms do exist is not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
    Why not install a new hard drive? They aren't that expensive, and this will add years to the time before the hard drive fails.

    Put your old one in a static bag, and keep it in a safe place, in case you ever need anything from it.

    Then do a clean install of Windows 2000 on the new hard drive.

    In my opinion, Windows 2000 was the first modern version of Windows. Lots of stuff which struggled under Windows 98SE or earlier works fine under Windows 2000.

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