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    Re: can't post [pre] tags?

    Chris,<pre>No problems here
    - just had a play in the testing sand-pit.
    - and it works here.</pre>

    For some months now, using [ pre] tags has brought up a red warning but this does not actually stop the post being made.

    Are you saying that the posts are being rejected? i.e. you click on "Post It" and then what happens?

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    Re: can't post [pre] tags?

    Mummy keeps tweaking the Lounge and she's always had to make special provision for Netscape. I've used 3 different versions of IE with this implementation of the Lounge and had no problems with [ Pre] tags. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> Are you *sure* nothing has changed? No patches, no Windows updates, nothing?
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    Re: can't post [pre] tags?

    Sorry, Chris - still can't reproduce it.
    I'm in Netscape now, I've even borrowed your skin to see if that makes a difference, but it doesn't seem to.
    When you say you are stuck in a loop, do you mean that the Post It button is acting as a Preview button - i.e. you simply go back to the same preview window?

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    Re: can't post [pre] tags?

    Hold on, somethings up
    I think......

    (Later..)
    No, I thought for a moment the Preview and Post It functions had got reversed, but I'm not so sure now.
    Seems fine.

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    I haven''t seen this myself. I'm giving it a go now.
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    No, that worked fine for me. But I'm on IE5.0. I wonder if that makes the difference?
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    Stuck in Preview mode

    For the past two days any attempt by me to preview/post a message with PRE tags pops up the red banner "We have detected...." etc.

    I tried splitting the text (underscore, Enter) and re-preview and re-post, but the message refuses to post.

    I've just posted a new message in the VB/VBA without pre tags by pasting the message body directly from Notepad to the panel and clicking Post - the heck with Preview this time.

    I can neither post new or post replies to messages if I have pre tags in the message body.

    Assuming no-one else is seeing this, it must be something on my system, right?

    I'd appreciate step-by-step instructions on how to diable any cookies or muffins that might be causing this anomaly.

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    > Are you saying that the posts are being rejected? i.e. you click on "Post It" and then what happens?

    If I place a PRE tag, then place some text, then place a /PRE tag in this reply, just the way I've been doing all year, and then click either PREVIEW or POST, I'll get the screen with the red warning. From then on, no matter that I click the POST butotn, the screen refreshes and stays the same.

    It's as if once the preview/post has seen the PRE tags it won't let me post.

    Yesterday, in quiet desperation, I removed the PRE tags ('twas but a snippet of code anyway) and still couldn't get past the Preview/Post stage.

    I'd normally think I'm doing something wrong, but I'm pretty well versed in PRE tags by now (thanks Geoff!), and noone else is having problems. What's left? Gotta be some kind of cookie or wot-not on my machine?

    Maybe I'll log off and log on again, see if that clears it up.

    The next step would be for me to sign on as a different username, and see if that changes anything.


    (10 seconds later ...)

    Forget the PRE tags. That's a non-issue. I just previewed this reply, looked OK, clicked POST and bounced right back to the Preview screen. I only got to post THIS text because I copied it via ClipBoard after which I closed and re-loaded Netscape.


    It's as if PREVIEW has it in for me and won't let me get past the starting gate.

    I'm going to log off now, then log on (if I can find my password) and re-reply to your message ...

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    No.

    Logging off, closing netscape, reopening, replying (being invited to log in) leaves me stymied if I Preview

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    > I haven''t seen this myself.

    ((( I know Geoff, I know, my friend. I was referring to my EARLY days here when you showed me how to use PRE tags. I haven't looked back since (in case you're catching up to me with that big stick (grin!!!!)) )))

    I don't think it's IE vs Netscape.

    I hate to say this, but "I haven't changed anything, honest".

    I've been using Netscape since The Lounge resurrected. I've been using this Netscape 4.75 since June, if not all year.

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    > Are you *sure* nothing has changed? No patches, no Windows updates, nothing?

    It'll be a rare day when Nothing has changed on my system, and I've been around long enough to know that when I say "nothing has changed", obviously something HAS changed - otherwise everything would be working.

    But I'm not aware of anything that I've changed that might have caused this problem.

    For example, a major change this weekend has been my development of a graphics-ripper, which takes files from a CD in G: and dumps BMPs on drive E:, and a Batch file that selects one of those files file and copies it to d:imagesbitmapsdaily.bmp. It's hard to see how that could affect postings on the lounge.

    Prior to making the original post (about previewing PRE tags) I had re-installed Win98 and Netscape from the distribution files (i.e. a "clean" install) onto drive C: without changing any other drives. But I don't see how that would have an effect; after all, I had trouble Previewing before AND AFTER the clean install.

    So, I'm not aware of anything I've done that would have caused this problem in the first place.

    But clearly something has happened.

    It's happening to noone else, as far as I can hear, so I assume it's at my end.

    During these postings I have determined that it's nothing at all to do with PRE tags, and I'd be grateful if someone whould remove THAT from the subject lines; it now seems that once I click PREVIEW I'm consigned to a preview loop. I initially thought it was PRE tags, but that's because when I had Previewed a post it cautioned me about PRE tags, and in that particular post I did have a long line (which I broke with underscore-enter) and couldn't get any further than the Preview screen after that.

    I have just copied all this reply text to Notepad, because I've typed it straight in here, online, and my bet is that when I go to preview it, I won't be able to post it. No PRE tags involved, let's see (wanders off to paste to Notepad and then preview ....)

    (wanders back .....)

    Yup. Got stuck in the Preview loop.

    I'm considering registering as a new user, to see if that jerks anything loose. Waddya think?

    (seconds later)

    OK, I can POST without preview, and that takes. Let's see if I can re-edit and Post imediately without preview. If I can you'll be reading this text as an appendage to my post, if not, you'll be reading it in a separate posting.

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    > the Post It button is acting as a Preview button - i.e. you simply go back to the same preview window?

    That's it.

    The best description I can make so far is that once I have clicked the PREVIEW button, the system exhibits identical behaviour for both PREVIEW and POST.

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    Stuck in Preview mode

    > Are you *sure* nothing has changed?

    Duh!

    The most stupid Win98 user this side of Highway 427 owes you a pot of home-made jam.

    Charlotte, you triggered my response of "What i did on my holidays", and Leif's later message got me to composing another reply, which went into the endless Preview loop. I tehn thought to essay with the on-line spell-checkers, to see if use of either of them would vibrate something loose.

    It did. A wing-nut off my brain has been loose.

    I decided to empty both my memory and disk cache, again, and as i did, i remarked to self that my disk cache is e:temp, the very same E: drive which finally reached 0MB available at 10:00am today after hours of ripping graphics from CDs.

    I disabled the cahes, setting both values to ZERO bytes, with the result that i could re-enter my reply to leif, preview and post it.


    [/i][/b]B I N G O ![/b][/i]


    I was right all along. So were you. Something HAD changed at my end. My caches was so limited as to drop a spanner in the works.

    Now, I don't know why a clogegd cache should cause the Lounge software to gag. Presumably when the cache drive is full, Netscape thinks that it has 7MB of space, but in reality has only 5MB, so it can't cache a page, or thinks it has cached a page when it hasn't. Presumably again, Lounge sends something back to Netscape, which THINKS it has that data somewhere, but can't find it, or retrieves the page before it.

    Suppose the latest page you COULD cache was page 37, and then you had to cache page 38 but couldn't; when you decided to retrieve the latest page, you'd pop the top of the stack, but get page 37, instead of page 38, as is supposed to happen.

    I hope that that makes sense.

    So, thanks again for joggling my brain.


    And thanks to all who responded.

    If anyone can change the subject from "can't post [pre] tags?" to "Stuck in Preview Loop" I'd be grateful.

    If anyone wants to test my theory (of a full cache), I'm using Netscape 4.75 5,569,776 08-15-00 12:25p

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    DIY checklist?

    > You can change the title of your own posts if you want

    Thanks, Geoff; I've done that, leaving it look as if everyone else had decided to change the subject headings AWAY from my own!

    My experience ought to go in a checklist of "things to check on your own system when the Lounge doesn't seem to be working".

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    Re: DIY checklist?

    Boy, I'm disappointed with the conclusion. I thought it was an evil plot to keep you from becoming a Silver Lounger! <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15> --Sam
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    Re: DIY checklist?

    >I thought it was an evil plot

    So did I, at first. Then I settled down and realised that it couldn't REALLY be so. My usual reaction when I can't immediately determine the cause of a problem is to assume it is some dark malevolent force .... as I get older and see no signs of such a force, I find that the dark malevolent force is usually me, or within me. Then it's time to start looking outwards.

    Anyway, I hope my experience (full cache) will be added to a checklist of things-to-look-for for future reported problems.

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