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    Avoid the last MSE update to lose the popup expiration warning

    Microsoft Update will supply you with updates to XP and MSE, just make sure not to install the last MSE update. Avoid KB2949787. Otherwise you will get the red MSE icon and the warning box every startup. If Windows Update offers updates, do them manually using the customize option. Unchecking an update hides it from later being added. You can update them later by going to the MU site and checking for all updates. Then look at the Hidden Updates to restore them.

    MSE can still be updated in the application so far. I don't know if there may be other KB updates sent, but MSE will supposedly still be updated with new definitions which may also be done manually inside MSE.

    You may be able to uninstall the KB update too! I posted this in another thread but I think it may help a lot of users. I've been using MSE because it is supposed to still be updated by M$

    MSE updates do not update the XP OS, just MSE. Updated Definitions should still help.
    Last edited by burger2227; 2014-07-19 at 18:07.

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    From Microsoft at http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help :

    We know you have questions…here are some answers
    Will I still be protected if I use Microsoft Security Essentials?

    No, you will not be protected. Microsoft Security Essentials is no longer available for download on Windows XP, for starters, but even if you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you still won't be protected—even though you'll continue to receive antimalware signature updates for a limited time. This is because Microsoft Security Essentials (or any other third-party antivirus software for that matter) will have limited effectiveness on PCs that do not have the latest security updates. What does this mean for you? That your PC running Windows XP will not be secure and will still be at risk for infection.

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    What it means is if you are going to continue using XP, and that is still 1 in 4 Windows users, get MSE off of your OS and install a 3rd party AV app that WILL continue to support XP without playing games with you. I'd replace the firewall too. IE and Outlook Express (if using it) too.

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    Well this fortuitously popped into my mailbox this morning and I figured I'd share. It is based upon another article he wrote that was published the same day:

    XP Users Can Still Get Effective Antivirus Protection

    by Neil J. Rubenking
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    Jul 21, 2014

    .... AV-Test researchers install each antivirus on a clean system and then expose that system to malware in a variety of ways. For testing, they use both very new zero-day malware and a collection of very widespread malware. Quite a few products managed 100 percent protection in both parts of this test. A few clunkers dragged down the overall average to 97 percent for zero-day samples and 98 percent for widespread samples. Microsoft Security Essentials (included as a baseline) and AhnLab both turned in scores below 80 percent protection....

    [Read the complete article at this link.]

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    If you take the advice from the author above I'd consider the paid versions which replace XP's firewall as well. Of course you might want to research if the antivirus (AV) app has stated what its commitment to support XP is...some have posted they are committed to supporting XP at least until such and such a date. It would kind of suck to pay for a AV and then have it inform you a couple of months later that XP support would be ending at some eminent date.

    I did get a chuckle out of the comment on Comodo's firewall. It is a serious pain if it is not installed on a new installation of XP always popping up asking are you sure you want this or that aspect of a program numerous times. Training it is a serious problem on a present installation, but Comodo can be had for free and it works very well other than this serious irritation. On a clean install, Comodo never challenges apps installed with your permission after it has been installed and only those apps that may be present before its installation pop up and they seem to train better---train meaning after you informed Comodo's pop up a few times it is alright Comodo ceases warning you when you work in an app. Comodo has a history of supporting long "dead" Windows OS' (as does the free ZoneAlarm firewall).

    Remember just because you are running an up to date 3rd party AV app (and maybe an up to date 3rd party firewall) currently supported for XP means you are very safe from viruses and some other forms of malware. It doesn't mean there aren't other attacks that can happen running XP that can occur on older equipment that lack some hardware protections, on older widely (or once widely) used apps that are no longer updated, and on that old unsupported OS (XP) you are now running. It doesn't mean you cannot tread in shark infested water . . . just tread carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burger2227 View Post
    ...just make sure not to install the last MSE update. Avoid KB2949787...you may be able to uninstall the KB update too!
    Kinda difficult since it does not include itself on the Add or Remove Programs list.

    Any ideas for getting rid of the Red MSE icon?

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    Kinda difficult since it does not include itself on the Add or Remove Programs list.
    Open Windows Update and click Installed Updates [bottom left]. On the next screen at the top of the list is the Uninstall information. I don't have a WinXP now but its Windows Update feature should have something similar.

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    Apparently MSE cannot be re-installed once it is removed. Another site offers MSE, but it wants you to download other JUNK. At Microsoft Update I found my history with several definition updates marked red as not installed. The KB2949787
    update did not have an uninstall in Windows either. According to M$, MSE will be updated for XP until July 2015.

    Currently my XP laptop only has MalwareBytes Anti-Exploit and Anti-Malware.

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    According to M$, MSE will be
    updated for XP until July 2015.
    But also according to Microsoft some of the MSE updates may rely upon WinXP updates that have been discontinued.
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help
    " We know you have questions…here are some answers
    Will I still be protected if I use Microsoft Security Essentials? "

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    MSE scored the worst (admittedly out of only 10 AV packages) according to the latest AV-Test 2014 as well (under Win7):

    http://www.av-test.org/en/news/news-...lware-attacks/

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    The WORST FREE is BETTER than nothing! I've HAD the "best" and STILL got infected! Some of the BEST programmers in the world can BUILD IT and TEAR IT APART!

    We will never have a perfect answer to people who want tp destroy things because building is a lot harder than tearing things down...

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    PS: I STILL cannot EDIT a post here in Windows 7!

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    PS: I STILL cannot EDIT a post here in Windows 7!
    I haven't had a problem editing my own posts, the choice is just below the text I've posted.
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    This is all I see!

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    You are seeing the same thing I see and shown on the image I included. Keep in mind there's nothing/no text in your image to edit yet.

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    There is nothing in the window to EDIT!

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